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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: DanielSan
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:32
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 16, 8:55 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 16, 6:06 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 15, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:27 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Potter.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the fact
>>>>>>>>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we have
>>>>>>>>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction.
>>>>>>>>>>>> By your reasoning at least.
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is.
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean.
>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic.
>>>>>>>>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible
>>>>>>>>>> Sheep exist today
>>>>>>>>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Steve O
>>>>>>>>> Well, no, Steve O.  Here is an example.  Atheists were claiming that
>>>>>>>>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the
>>>>>>>>> Bible.  So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel?  These atheists had
>>>>>>>>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel.  So after they looked it up, they
>>>>>>>>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be
>>>>>>>>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go
>>>>>>>>> to wizard's school.
>>>>>>>> The original assertion remains in force.  Hezekiah's Tunnel does not
>>>>>>>> prove anything.
>>>>>>>>>    I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the
>>>>>>>>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's
>>>>>>>>> tunnel.  Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel
>>>>>>>>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a
>>>>>>>>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water.
>>>>>>>> For the same reason that King's Cross Station exists.
>>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you?
>>>>>>> There is nothing in the Book of 2 Chronicles about the construction of
>>>>>>> King's Cross Station.
>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you?
>>>>>> --
>>>>> Well, if you can provide a description of the construction of Kings
>>>>> Cross station from the time it was built, maybe we could compare it to
>>>>> the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel.
>>>> ....I see.  So, since the Harry Potter books do not detail the
>>>> construction of King's Cross Station, it's not a correct analogy?
>>>> Okay, fine.  In one of the Harry Potter books, the head of the Ministry
>>>> of Magic visits the new Prime Minister of England and informs him of the
>>>> fight against the Dark Lord.
>>>> Since this Harry Potter book describes the Prime Minister of England at
>>>> the time that he got into office and, since it coincided with Tony Blair
>>>> getting into office, that means that Harry Potter is true?
>>>> --
>>>> ******************************************************
>>>> *          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226            *
>>> Well, if you want to believe in Harry Potter, I am sure you will find
>>> a way to do it.
>> No, see, that's what you're NOT getting.  I don't believe in Harry
>> Potter.  Harry Potter is fantasy.  It's not real.   And the events
>> therein have just as much evidence as the Bible has.
>>
>> That is:  None.
> If atheists think something is fantasy, why is fantasy all they want
> to discuss?

You're the one that brought fantasy into the discussion.


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*          DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226            *
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* "I distrust those people who know so well what God *
*  wants them to do because I notice it always       *
*  coincides with their own desires."                *
*                                 --Susan B. Anthony *
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