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Article #12759Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: DanielSan
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:32
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 12:32
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rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 16, 8:55 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 16, 6:06 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 15, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 8:27 pm, DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter has >>>>>>>>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry >>>>>>>>>>>>> Potter. >>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the fact >>>>>>>>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we have >>>>>>>>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction. >>>>>>>>>>>> By your reasoning at least. >>>>>>>>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is. >>>>>>>>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean. >>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic. >>>>>>>>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible >>>>>>>>>> Sheep exist today >>>>>>>>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Steve O >>>>>>>>> Well, no, Steve O. Here is an example. Atheists were claiming that >>>>>>>>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the >>>>>>>>> Bible. So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel? These atheists had >>>>>>>>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel. So after they looked it up, they >>>>>>>>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be >>>>>>>>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go >>>>>>>>> to wizard's school. >>>>>>>> The original assertion remains in force. Hezekiah's Tunnel does not >>>>>>>> prove anything. >>>>>>>>> I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the >>>>>>>>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's >>>>>>>>> tunnel. Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel >>>>>>>>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a >>>>>>>>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. >>>>>>>> For the same reason that King's Cross Station exists. >>>>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you? >>>>>>> There is nothing in the Book of 2 Chronicles about the construction of >>>>>>> King's Cross Station. >>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you? >>>>>> -- >>>>> Well, if you can provide a description of the construction of Kings >>>>> Cross station from the time it was built, maybe we could compare it to >>>>> the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel. >>>> ....I see. So, since the Harry Potter books do not detail the >>>> construction of King's Cross Station, it's not a correct analogy? >>>> Okay, fine. In one of the Harry Potter books, the head of the Ministry >>>> of Magic visits the new Prime Minister of England and informs him of the >>>> fight against the Dark Lord. >>>> Since this Harry Potter book describes the Prime Minister of England at >>>> the time that he got into office and, since it coincided with Tony Blair >>>> getting into office, that means that Harry Potter is true? >>>> -- >>>> ****************************************************** >>>> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * >>> Well, if you want to believe in Harry Potter, I am sure you will find >>> a way to do it. >> No, see, that's what you're NOT getting. I don't believe in Harry >> Potter. Harry Potter is fantasy. It's not real. And the events >> therein have just as much evidence as the Bible has. >> >> That is: None. > If atheists think something is fantasy, why is fantasy all they want > to discuss? You're the one that brought fantasy into the discussion. -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
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