🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: sci.physics
Article #12775

Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#12775
From: Smiler
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 16:37
94 lines
6392 bytes
<hhyapster@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:28be0ed1-17c0-4089-8117-c9b9f0392293@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 15, 4:30 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> Steve O wrote:
>
> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >news:a3c2b9ae-59ae-4bfd-b7cf-fcda98b26225@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >> On Jul 14, 5:12?pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> >> > Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry
> >>> Potter >> > has
> >>> >> > to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in
> >>> Harry
> >>> >> > Potter.
>
> >>> >> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the
> >>> >> fact
> >>> >> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we
> >>> >> have
> >>> >> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction.
>
> >>> >> By your reasoning at least.
>
> >>> > Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is.
> >>> > Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean.
> >>> > Robert B. Winn
>
> >>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic.
>
> >>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible
> >>> Sheep exist today
> >>> The bible is accurate and there is a God
>
> >>> --
> >>> Steve O
> >> Well, no, Steve O.  Here is an example.  Atheists were claiming that
> >> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the
> >> Bible.  So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel?  These atheists had
> >> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel.  So after they looked it up, they
> >> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be
> >> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go
> >> to wizard's school.
>
> > Here's where you get confused every time. (or deliberately lie)
> > When they said "nothing exists on earth today that could prove anything
> > in the bible" they were talking about the SPECIAL claims in the bible,
> > not the ordinary mundane things such as tunnels, sheep, goats or
> > shekels.
> > Yet, for some reason, you choose to lie about this and attribute claims
> > to atheists which  don't exist.
> > You are either a complete liar or you are stuck on stupid.
>
> Both.
> Its fairly clear our robbo is probably schizoid, probably desperately
> confused, and probably on medication, and has access to a terminal.And
> is not the brightest candle in the coal mine.
>
> He's desperately trying to put some meaning in his life, to make some
> sense of it, and the Bible is his latest bag.  It probably puts some
> hope in a hopeless life.
>
> He's just smart enough to see what a mess his life is, but not smart
> enough to work out how to change it by himself: so naturally he looks
> for help. No one has probably given him any, but the bible makes him a
> promise. By fixating on the Jesus symbol, he at least has one constant
> thing to cling to and some hope. In short, he is addicted to Jesus.
>
> It's probably slightly better than being addicted to smack, and its
> certainly a lot cheaper.
>
> I've met more than a few robbos in my time. There's probably some
> intelligence there, but coupled to an unusual mental condition. Such
> peoples experience is not ordinary, and their attempts to make sense of
> it result in some pretty weird ways of thinking about it and dealing
> with it. Often they get involved in some cult or other. Or end up
> prematurely dead from drug overdoses and the like. Or go off the rails
> and start seeing visions and end up in the funny farm.

Probably very true of rbwinn.
When he told us that he is a welder, I actually wrote some real advise
for him to work hard and look forward towards a retirement, instead of
wasting time in the church on Sundays. Sundays pay thrice as much.
However, my email could not get through...
====================================
Does anything ever 'get through' to him?
I very much doubt it.

Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
Technical Details
Message-ID: <nFtfk.709$uS4.296@newsfe17.ams2>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!news.astraweb.com!border2.a.newsrouter.astraweb.com!transit4.hitnews.eu!eweka.nl!hq-usenetpeers.eweka.nl!69.16.177.246.MISMATCH!cyclone03.ams!news.ams.newshosting.com!npeersf01.ams!newsfe17.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail
References: <6d90ncF1ev56U1@mid.individual.net> <86472cec-7b84-45e3-83fd-c0d80d7b23f3@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <48769860.5060508@osu.edu> <05d669dd-463d-4f1d-8e2a-0ba54f418e14@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> <48a6b5ee-b258-4472-bff0-e2edecf8a076@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> <8a946d67-df66-454e-81c2-262855125647@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <b0d2514b-bcc4-4cc6-bc43-51ac8ec9e420@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <Lybek.14332$Zm1.11510@newsfe27.ams2> <1215933289.29330.3@proxy01.news.clara.net> <485272be-839f-4adc-9064-34726b0bef1d@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <1215988736.23696.1@proxy02.news.clara.net> <44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> <6e28b7F4n1inU1@mid.individual.net> <a3c2b9ae-59ae-4bfd-b7cf-fcda98b26225@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <6e340hF532qsU1@mid.individual.net> <1216110666.12212.0@proxy00.news.clara.net> <28be0ed1-17c0-4089-8117-c9b9f0392293@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: 10b271,d932fee6d9806ab9
X-Google-Thread: 102f53,dac8026861d35fee
X-Google-Thread: f442a,d932fee6d9806ab9
X-Google-Thread: 116469,d932fee6d9806ab9
X-Google-Attributes: gid10b271,gid102f53,gidf442a,gid116469,domainid0,public,usenet
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!news.astraweb.com!border2.a.newsrouter.astraweb.com!transit4.hitnews.eu!eweka.nl!hq-usenetpeers.eweka.nl!69.16.177.246.MISMATCH!cyclone03.ams!news.ams.newshosting.com!npeersf01.ams!newsfe17.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail
From: "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism
References: <6d90ncF1ev56U1@mid.individual.net> <86472cec-7b84-45e3-83fd-c0d80d7b23f3@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <48769860.5060508@osu.edu> <05d669dd-463d-4f1d-8e2a-0ba54f418e14@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> <48a6b5ee-b258-4472-bff0-e2edecf8a076@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> <8a946d67-df66-454e-81c2-262855125647@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <b0d2514b-bcc4-4cc6-bc43-51ac8ec9e420@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <Lybek.14332$Zm1.11510@newsfe27.ams2> <1215933289.29330.3@proxy01.news.clara.net> <485272be-839f-4adc-9064-34726b0bef1d@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <1215988736.23696.1@proxy02.news.clara.net> <44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> <6e28b7F4n1inU1@mid.individual.net> <a3c2b9ae-59ae-4bfd-b7cf-fcda98b26225@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <6e340hF532qsU1@mid.individual.net> <1216110666.12212.0@proxy00.news.clara.net> <28be0ed1-17c0-4089-8117-c9b9f0392293@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
Lines: 98
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138
X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080716-0, 16/07/2008), Outbound message
X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
Message-ID: <nFtfk.709$uS4.296@newsfe17.ams2>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.20.115.204
X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com
X-Trace: newsfe17.ams2 1216243411 82.20.115.204 (Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:23:31 EDT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:23:31 EDT
Organization: virginmedia.com
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:37:15 +0100