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On Jul 15, 1:20 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> > On Jul 14, 9:37 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Jul 14, 9:14 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> >> > On Jul 13, 9:47 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
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> >> > > On Jul 14, 8:25 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> >> > > > On Jul 13, 3:02 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
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> >> > > > > rbwinn wrote:
> >> > > > > > On Jul 12, 11:53 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >> > > > > >> rbwinn wrote:
> >> > > > > >>> On Jul 11, 5:18�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > >>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <a...@b.c> wrote in
> >> > > > > >>>> messagenews:1215765710.4836.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
> >> > > > > >>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >> > > > > >>>>>> On Jul 10, 5:20?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c>
> >> > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> Alex W. wrote:
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>>news:08134c4b-46c5-454f-9a5f-47756eddfd59@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> Without religion to oppose, atheists would do nothing at
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> all.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> Thats not true. They just would walk away from any
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> discussion on the
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> subject thankfully, and get on with living, and in some
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> case, trying to
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> understand the extraordinary universe we seem to find
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> ourselves in.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> Really the transition fom a Gaia type animism picture of
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> the universe,
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> to a personalised supernatural creator and law giver, to
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> an impersonal
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> set of amoral laws..is not as abrupt as the fanboys would
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> like to think.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> What is unusual, historically, is the fanatical faith
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> needed to maintain
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> the concept of a personal and moral God, in the face of
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> Reason.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> Mediaevally speaking, no one questioned that the world
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> and events moved
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> according to some vast and ineffable and mysterious
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> pattern, and the
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> concept of a supernatural intelligence and a plan, was
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> pretty
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> reasonable..until science started uncovering the rules,
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> which turned out
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> to be mindlessly simple, totally impersonal and
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> implacable, and
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> impervious to personal appeal. And no evidence of
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> intelligence at all.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> Note that none of this necessarily negates the
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> proposition that faith,
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> belief, prayer, and a live lived AS IF there were an
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> afterlife,is not a
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> Good Thing for people and civilisations.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> But none of these even indicate that what is believed in
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> must of
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> necessity be true.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> Archers were able to hit targets long before Newton
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> identified the Force
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> of Gravity.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> Understanding of the presumed science behind phenonmena
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> is no
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> pre-requisite for learning to deal with them. Any ad-hoc
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> theory that has
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> pragmatic use will do.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> If you look at religion in that light, it makes a lot of
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> sense.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> Mired in dogma however, the fanatical Theist simply
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> persists in the
> >> > > > > >>>>>>> useless, long past its sell-by date.
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> ==========
> >> > > > > >>>>>>>> ..... other than get on with our lives ....- Hide quoted
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> >> > > > > >>>>>> If atheists want to believe that they are not intelligent,
> >> > > > > >>>>>> I see no
> >> > > > > >>>>>> problem with that.
> >> > > > > >>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >> > > > > >>>>> And how is that in any way relevant to what I posted?
> >> > > > > >>>> You expect relevance from this moron?
> >> > > > > >>>> He can't even manage coherence, logic or truth.
> >> > > > > >>>> Smiler,
> >> > > > > >>>> The godless one
> >> > > > > >>>> a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text -
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> >> > > > > >>> Atheists believe that intelligence is nothing more than
> >> > > > > >>> electrical
> >> > > > > >>> impulses.
> >> > > > > >> No, they do not. Another lie from the Prince of Lies.
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> >> > > > > > Your problem, Natural, is the same problem that all atheists
> >> > > > > > have.
> >> > > > > > You never say anything.
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> >> > > > > Well at lest that absolves me from the sin of lying eh Robbo.
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> >> > > > > Wheres you sin ever time you open your mouth,. and end up saying
> >> > > > > nothing
> >> > > > > as its simply bullshit when you do.
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> >> > > > Well, Satan is capable of saying that anything whatsoever is a lie.
> >> > > > To atheists and evil spirits that is what constitutes freedom.
> >> > > > Robert B. Winn
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> >> > > You mean satan is like you among the honest human, telling lies and
> >> > > does not buy what atheist says?
> >> > > Also, don't forget satan is staying with your god(claimed by you),
> >> > > which means your god is incapable of stopping his lying, right?- Hide
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> >> > Atheists get all of their information from Satan. Satan is not
> >> > staying with God. He is staying with humans on earth. Satan will be
> >> > bound when Jesus Christ returns at the beginning of the millenium and
> >> > will not tell any more lies for a thousand years.
> >> > Robert B. Winn
> >> > Robert B. Winn
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> >> First of all, rbwinn, in your previous post, you had stated that Jesus
> >> allowed Satan to proceed with some program. This was telling the world
> >> that Satan is staying with your god, plainly.
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> > I stated that Jesus Christ had allowed Satan to proceed with some
> > program?  What program do you claim I stated that Jesus Christ had
> > allowed Satan to proceed with?
> > Robert B. Winn
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> YOU are the one who claimed that Judas Escariot was acting on the
> instructions of Satan when he set the crucifixion, and ultimate redemption
> of mankind, into motion.
> You have a selective memory, don't you?
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> --
> Steve O

The Atonement for the sins of mankind was going to take place after
the last supper whether Judas betrayed Jesus or not.  The Atonement
for the sins of the world took place in the Garden of Gethsemane.  The
crucifixion, which was the physical death of Christ, took place on
Calvary.  The Atonement had already taken place before the
crucifixion.
Robert B. Winn