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On Jul 15, 12:54 am, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 15, 2:11 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 14, 9:37 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > > On Jul 14, 9:14 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 13, 9:47 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > > > > On Jul 14, 8:25 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > On Jul 13, 3:02 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
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> > > > > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 11:53 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> On Jul 11, 5:18�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <a...@b.c> wrote in messagenews:1215765710.4836.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
> > > > > > > >>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>> On Jul 10, 5:20?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Alex W. wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>news:08134c4b-46c5-454f-9a5f-47756eddfd59@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> Without religion to oppose, atheists would do nothing at all.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Thats not true. They just would walk away from any discussion on the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> subject thankfully, and get on with living, and in some case, trying to
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> understand the extraordinary universe we seem to find ourselves in.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Really the transition fom a Gaia type animism picture of the universe,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> to a personalised supernatural creator and law giver, to an impersonal
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> set of amoral laws..is not as abrupt as the fanboys would like to think.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> What is unusual, historically, is the fanatical faith needed to maintain
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> the concept of a personal and moral God, in the face of Reason.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Mediaevally speaking, no one questioned that the world and events moved
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> according to some vast and ineffable and mysterious pattern, and the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> concept of a supernatural intelligence and a plan, was pretty
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> reasonable..until science started uncovering the rules, which turned out
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> to be mindlessly simple, totally impersonal and implacable, and
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> impervious to personal appeal. And no evidence of intelligence at all.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Note that none of this necessarily negates the proposition that faith,
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> belief, prayer, and a live lived AS IF there were an afterlife,is not a
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Good Thing for people and civilisations.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> But none of these even indicate that what is believed in must of
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> necessity be true.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Archers were able to hit targets long before Newton identified the Force
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> of Gravity.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Understanding of the presumed science behind phenonmena is no
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> pre-requisite for learning to deal with them. Any ad-hoc theory that has
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> pragmatic use will do.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> If you look at religion in that light, it makes a lot of sense.
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> Mired in dogma however, the fanatical Theist simply persists in the
> > > > > > > >>>>>>> useless, long past its sell-by date.
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> > > > > > > >>>>>>>> ..... other than get on with our lives ....- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > > > >>>>>> If atheists want to believe that they are not intelligent, I see no
> > > > > > > >>>>>> problem with that.
> > > > > > > >>>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > > > > > > >>>>> And how is that in any way relevant to what I posted?
> > > > > > > >>>> You expect relevance from this moron?
> > > > > > > >>>> He can't even manage coherence, logic or truth.
> > > > > > > >>>> Smiler,
> > > > > > > >>>> The godless one
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> > > > > > > >>> Atheists believe that intelligence is nothing more than electrical
> > > > > > > >>> impulses.
> > > > > > > >> No, they do not. Another lie from the Prince of Lies.
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> > > > > > > > Your problem, Natural, is the same problem that all atheists have.
> > > > > > > > You never say anything.
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> > > > > > > Well at lest that absolves me from the sin of lying eh Robbo.
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> > > > > > > Wheres you sin ever time you open your mouth,. and end up saying nothing
> > > > > > > as its simply bullshit when you do.
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> > > > > > Well, Satan is capable of saying that anything whatsoever is a lie.
> > > > > > To atheists and evil spirits that is what constitutes freedom.
> > > > > > Robert B. Winn
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> > > > > You mean satan is like you among the honest human, telling lies and
> > > > > does not buy what atheist says?
> > > > > Also, don't forget satan is staying with your god(claimed by you),
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> > > > Atheists get all of their information from Satan.  Satan is not
> > > > staying with God.  He is staying with humans on earth.  Satan will be
> > > > bound when Jesus Christ returns at the beginning of the millenium and
> > > > will not tell any more lies for a thousand years.
> > > > Robert B. Winn
> > > > Robert B. Winn
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> > > First of all, rbwinn, in your previous post, you had stated that Jesus
> > > allowed Satan to proceed with some program. This was telling the world
> > > that Satan is staying with your god, plainly.
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> > I stated that Jesus Christ had allowed Satan to proceed with some
> > program?  What program do you claim I stated that Jesus Christ had
> > allowed Satan to proceed with?
> > Robert B. Winn
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> I don't know what program you are talking about...
> But that's what you claim.- Hide quoted text -
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Well, no, it is what you claim.  I have no idea what you are talking
about.
Robert B. Winn