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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: BuddyThunder
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:57
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 14, 11:23 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter has
>>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry
>>>>>>> Potter.
>>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the fact
>>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we have
>>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction.
>>>>>> By your reasoning at least.
>>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is.
>>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean.
>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic.
>>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible
>>>> Sheep exist today
>>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God
>>>> --
>>>> Steve O
>>> Well, no, Steve O.  Here is an example.  Atheists were claiming that
>>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the
>>> Bible.
>> And yet you've been unable to produce these mythical posts. Well, you do
>> seem to like myths...
>>
>>>  So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel?  These atheists had
>>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel.  So after they looked it up, they
>>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be
>>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go
>>> to wizard's school.
>> In a slightly mangled sense, yes that was me. I'd never heard of
>> Hezekiah's tunnel. Now I have. I still can't see how it supports the
>> existence of any gods. Assuming it's the same tunnel (which hasn't been
>> established AFAIK), so what? People sometimes write things about stuff.
>> Does that automatically render it true?
>>
>>>    I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the
>>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's
>>> tunnel.  Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel
>>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a
>>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water.
>> I might point out that the physical evidence doesn't accord well with
>> the account of the tunnel's construction. Even if you're right, it's
>> simply shows that a tunnel was built, not that gods exist.
>>
>> If you want to infer more than is logical from this, go for it! But to
>> maintain a degree of intellectual honesty, I cannot follow.- Hide quoted text -
> 
> Well, obviously, you have not studied the history of that time.
> Robert B. Winn
I haven't much, and yet I still know that. Additionally, the Bible 
contains some history, but doesn't qualify as a whole. It's far too 
unreliable.
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