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Article #12912Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: The Natural Philosopher
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:30
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:30
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Steve O wrote: > > > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message > news:a3c2b9ae-59ae-4bfd-b7cf-fcda98b26225@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>> >>> news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> >>> >> > Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry >>> Potter >> > has >>> >> > to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in >>> Harry >>> >> > Potter. >>> >>> >> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the >>> >> fact >>> >> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we have >>> >> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction. >>> >>> >> By your reasoning at least. >>> >>> > Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is. >>> > Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean. >>> > Robert B. Winn >>> >>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic. >>> >>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible >>> Sheep exist today >>> The bible is accurate and there is a God >>> >>> -- >>> Steve O >> Well, no, Steve O. Here is an example. Atheists were claiming that >> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the >> Bible. So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel? These atheists had >> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel. So after they looked it up, they >> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be >> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go >> to wizard's school. > > Here's where you get confused every time. (or deliberately lie) > When they said "nothing exists on earth today that could prove anything > in the bible" they were talking about the SPECIAL claims in the bible, > not the ordinary mundane things such as tunnels, sheep, goats or shekels. > Yet, for some reason, you choose to lie about this and attribute claims > to atheists which don't exist. > You are either a complete liar or you are stuck on stupid. > Both. Its fairly clear our robbo is probably schizoid, probably desperately confused, and probably on medication, and has access to a terminal.And is not the brightest candle in the coal mine. He's desperately trying to put some meaning in his life, to make some sense of it, and the Bible is his latest bag. It probably puts some hope in a hopeless life. He's just smart enough to see what a mess his life is, but not smart enough to work out how to change it by himself: so naturally he looks for help. No one has probably given him any, but the bible makes him a promise. By fixating on the Jesus symbol, he at least has one constant thing to cling to and some hope. In short, he is addicted to Jesus. It's probably slightly better than being addicted to smack, and its certainly a lot cheaper. I've met more than a few robbos in my time. There's probably some intelligence there, but coupled to an unusual mental condition. Such peoples experience is not ordinary, and their attempts to make sense of it result in some pretty weird ways of thinking about it and dealing with it. Often they get involved in some cult or other. Or end up prematurely dead from drug overdoses and the like. Or go off the rails and start seeing visions and end up in the funny farm.
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