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Article #12973Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: BuddyThunder
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:23
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:23
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rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >> >> news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >> >>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter has >>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry >>>>> Potter. >>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the fact >>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we have >>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction. >>>> By your reasoning at least. >>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is. >>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean. >>> Robert B. Winn >> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic. >> >> Sheep are mentioned in the bible >> Sheep exist today >> The bible is accurate and there is a God >> >> -- >> Steve O > Well, no, Steve O. Here is an example. Atheists were claiming that > nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the > Bible. And yet you've been unable to produce these mythical posts. Well, you do seem to like myths... > So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel? These atheists had > never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel. So after they looked it up, they > said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be > true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go > to wizard's school. In a slightly mangled sense, yes that was me. I'd never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel. Now I have. I still can't see how it supports the existence of any gods. Assuming it's the same tunnel (which hasn't been established AFAIK), so what? People sometimes write things about stuff. Does that automatically render it true? > I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the > Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's > tunnel. Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel > exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a > tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. I might point out that the physical evidence doesn't accord well with the account of the tunnel's construction. Even if you're right, it's simply shows that a tunnel was built, not that gods exist. If you want to infer more than is logical from this, go for it! But to maintain a degree of intellectual honesty, I cannot follow.
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