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Article #13025Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: The Natural Philosopher
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:16
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:16
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Antares 531 wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:21:17 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > >> "Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE@swbell.net> wrote in message >> news:72in74drr47ktr9l98raqph18ep0s1h4cp@4ax.com... >>> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:25:09 -0400, Brian E. Clark >>> <reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote: >>> >>>> In article <4d2a74pf351she9f40vri1ku32c7s40a9j@ >>>> 4ax.com>, Antares 531 said... >>>> >>>>> Fulfillment of prophecies is the most convincing "evidence" for the >>>>> reliability of the Bible, >>>> Most convincing of all are those prophecies written >>>> after the events they predict. >>>> >>> Bryan, I see your point, but I maintain that there are many Biblical >>> prophecies that were written LONG before they were fulfilled, and the >>> history/dating can not have been manipulated. Even if the dating of, >>> say the prophecies of Daniel can be argued a bit, it can't be >>> stretched to a date later than the time of Jesus's life. If you >>> haven't already done so, please visit this site and check some of >>> these items out. >> There is no need to "stretch" anything when you are dealing with a work of >> multiple authors writing over a millennium or two. You take it on trust, >> pure and simple. >> >> Moreover, those prophesies are really quite vague (part of their intrinsic >> nature). Any major religion has predictions about the appearance of a >> redeemer figure, about salvation and whatnot. You merely latched onto >> Jesus -- it might just as well have been Mohammed, Bab, Baha'u'llah or a >> host of others. >> > Alex, I've seen this rebuttal before but I've never had anyone point > out to me any list of successfully filled complex prophecies other > than those revealed in the Bible. Can you please direct me to a source > such as this one, but for some of the other major religions? > Nor fr religion, no, but try Newtons 'Principia' for a book of prophecies that always get fulfilled pretty much to the letter. > http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/prophecy.shtml > > Gordon
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