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Antares 531 wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 05:57:14 -0700, DanielSan
> <danielsan@speakeasy.net> wrote:
> (snip)
>> Antares 531 wrote:
>>> This mortal phase of our existence is temporary, and is primarily a
>>> means for learning about sin and rebellion. We learn jointly and
>>> separately about sin and rebellion, and when we've moved on to
>>> immortal existence we should never want to go back and explore it any
>>> further.   Gordon
>> There is no evidence of this "immortal existence", is there?
>>
> Daniel, there is no objective proof, and the only source of evidence
> is the Bible, but this can be rejected if one chooses to do so. The
> problem reduces to one of ferreting out the basic information given in
> the Bible and checking this against our reasonably well understood
> scientific information. There is no conflict between science and the
> Bible except in the minds of those who don't adequately understand one
> or the other or both of these sources of information.
> 
> The best approach I can suggest is to learn about quantum
> entanglements and Superstring-Membrane theory (SSM). The information
> provided in these two subject areas lends a lot of support to the
> "evidence" provided in the Bible. As a starter, let me suggest reading
> Brian Clegg's book, The God Effect. ISBN 978-0-312-34341-5 
> 
> This is a very well written book on quantum entanglement phenomenon.
> It is a verbal discussion, not a mathematics/physics text format. This
> book is easy for anyone with a fundamental education to understand.
> 
> The cover jacket, inside the front cover, reads;
> 
> What is entanglement: It's a connection between quantum particles, the
> building blocks of the universe. Once two particles are entangled, a
> change to one of them is reflected - instantly - in the other, be they
> in the same lab or light-years apart. So counterintuitive is this
> phenomenon and its implications that Einstein himself called it
> "spooky" and thought that it would lead to the downfall of quantum
> theory. Yet scientists have since discovered that quantum
> entanglement, the "God Effect," was one of Einstein's few - and
> perhaps one of his greatest - mistakes.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Check with your local library and see if they have a copy of this
> book. It is worth reading, and I am firmly convinced that the
> information and ideas discussed in this and other such books overlaps
> and corroborates the information given us in the Bible. 
> 

Oddly enough I almost agree with you.

It is perfectly possible that a highly superstitious, primitive, 
anthropocentric view of much of what constitutes science , written down 
in a primitive language, could easily result in the parts io the Bible 
that actually deal with natural philosophy.

This mistake is to cling to those highly superstitious, primitive, 
anthropocentric views and use them as 'evidence' of a supernatural being 
*with a personal interest in mankind*

mutatis mutandis, it makes little difference whether you regard the 
whole universe as one living being or a complex mesh of inanimate matter 
doing complex things. Its both and neither. What I object to is giving 
it purpose, and intention, and any sort of concern as to the fate of 
Man. This is pure anthropocentrism. Children's stories to tuck them in 
bed with.



> Gordon