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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: pbamvv
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:27
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On 14 jul, 00:51, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Jul 13, 10:12 am, "pba...@worldonline.nl" <pba...@worldonline.nl>
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> > On 13 jul, 16:22, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 13, 12:10 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
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> > > > rbwinn wrote:
> > > > > On Jul 12, 7:29�am, Stan-O <bndsna...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > >> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 21:21:44 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com>
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> > > > >>>>> You atheists seem to have a lot of trouble with the meanings of
> > > > >>>>> words. ?There was another atheist who seemed to believe that adult and
> > > > >>>>> adulterer meant the same thing.
> > > > >>>>> Robert B. Winn
> > > > >>>> ...which is an old joke that you obviously didn't get.
> > > > >>> It is a very foolish mistake. �Although the two words look and sound
> > > > >>> similar, they mean very different things.
> > > > >>> Robert B. Winn
> > > > >> I'd explain the meaning of "a play on words", but it would be like
> > > > >> pouring water on a rock and expecting it to sink in...
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> > > > > With atheists, it is not a play on words.  They really believe that
> > > > > adulterers are the most mature adults.
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> > > > Atheists don't believe anything.
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> > > > More lies from the Prince of Lies.
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> > > > Its amazing how much ore of an atheist I want to be, listening to you.
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> > > Well, there you have it.  Atheists don't believe anything, they don't
> > > do anything, and they don't think anything.  It does not sound very
> > > exciting to me, but maybe it does to an atheist.
> > > Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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> > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
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> > Well. Atheist are not lying their butt off like you do.
> > Most of them believe in natural explanations,
> > most of them have a job,
> > and many of them are intelligent enough not to make as silly a claim
> > as to say someone else doesn't think anything.
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> > Your statement would be truth though if it was made about dead people.
> > But if all dead people are atheists, what would that mean for heaven
> > and hell?
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> > Think about it!
> > I am sure you have enough brains to understand,
> > I only doubt whether you will use them on this issue or perfer to keep
> > making silly statements
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> > Peter van Velzen
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> Thank you for your analysis, Peter.  I was merely expanding on a
> statement from an atheist to show where it was leading:  Atheists do
> not believe anything.
> Robert B. Winn- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
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> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -

The statement should probably be "atheists do not believe in anything
supernatural"
On the other hand one should not assume atheists have any specific
believes in common, though they certainly all lack believe in a diety.

Thanks for explaining,
this thread has become to long to oversee the whole.

PS The answer to the subject line is "Only if he wants to be beliieved
in and even then for most people it is not nescessary". :-)

Peter van Velzen
July 2008
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
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