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"Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE@swbell.net> wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:29:55 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
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>>"Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE@swbell.net> wrote in message
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>>> God does indeed have infinite power and wisdom. He could handle this
>>> any way he chose to do. He chose to let us live as mortals and learn,
>>> hands-on, about sin and rebellion. The intention is to let us learn
>>> enough to assure God that we won't try to go back and explore it any
>>> further, once we've been granted immortality and absolute sovereignty.
>>> God is presently (by our temporal reference frame) in the process of
>>> separating good from evil. Those who reject God and are not willing to
>>> be with Him throughout eternity will be moved, along with all other
>>> aspects of existence that are not good. This will then be separated
>>> from God's domain, irreversibly.
>>
>>You presume that good and evil are only defined through their relationship
>>to a belief in god.  IOW, you claim that a non-believer's good works do 
>>not
>>count, are meaningless.  That is unacceptable, both in itself and if one
>>believes in a god of perfect love.
>>
> Alex, I'm sincerely sorry if you've gotten this impression from what
> I've posted. To clarify this a bit, let me say that "good" is defined
> as that which benefits everyone involved and does no harm to anyone.
> "Evil" is defined as that which may benefit the perpetrator, or at
> least seem to benefit the perpetrator for the time being, but in the
> final analysis it is harmful to others, and maybe even to the
> perpetrator.
>
> Atheists and those who believe in God but decline to align with Him
> can, and do indeed do good things. But, their choice

Why can't you understand that there is NO CHOICE involved?
If you think there is, please explain how you CHOSE to not believe in 
Leprechauns.

Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279




to remain apart
> from God precludes their being granted immortality in God's domain. As
> to what happens to this group of people, the Bible indicates that they
> will stand before God in judgment and the outcome of that judgment is
> not clearly specified. One interpretation, taken from the passages
> that state that God is omnipotent and God is not willing that any
> should perish, indicates that some, or perhaps all of these people
> will be saved. If this is so, it seems that they may be rewarded for
> their good works.
>
> We are rewarded according to our works. "Salvation is by faith and
> faith alone, lest anyone should boast," but "when the Lord returns in
> all the glory of the Father, He will bring His rewards with Him and
> all will be rewarded according to their works." There will be a social
> gradient in Heaven. "Some who are least here on earth will be great in
> Heaven and some who are great here on earth will be least in Heaven."
> This obviously will be determined by their rewards for their works
> done during this mortal phase of their existence.
>
>
> Those who remain adamantly apart from God at the last judgment will be
> among those that are in the domain that is to be eternally separated
> from God and all that is good. The risk I perceive here is that an
> anti-God mind-set that has endured throughout one's life may be hard
> to give up, and there may be those who stubbornly refuse to do so, at
> the last judgment.
>
> Gordon