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On Jul 12, 5:32 am, Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...@swbell.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:15:08 -0700, ben_dolan_...@reet.com (Ben Dolan)
> wrote:
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> >Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...@swbell.net> wrote:
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> >> >> When I lived in Florida a few years back, I arrived home one evening
> >> >> just after sundown and saw a very large alligator slithering across
> >> >> our front lawn. I was afraid to get close to the beast but after it
> >> >> began moving away I parked the car and went inside to tell my wife
> >> >> about this alligator.
>
> >> >> We both came back out to look at the beast but it was gone and we
> >> >> could find no trace of it. I had ample "evidence" that an alligator
> >> >> had slithered across our front lawn, but I could not transfer this
> >> >> evidence. My wife could either reject my claim or accept it on faith.
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> >> >As you said, a claim, but not evidence.
>
> >> There was evidence for me, but no transferable evidence. My point was
> >> that there can be, and often is evidence that isn't transferable.
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> >But there's plenty of evidence that alligators live in Florida, isn't
> >there? So your claim is completely reasonable based on considerable
> >supporting evidence. If your claim was that the baby Jesus had slithered
> >across your front lawn, then that would be a different matter
> >altogether, now wouldn't it?  Believing you saw an alligator on your
> >lawn isn't purely a matter of faith, but believing you saw Jesus would
> >be (and Florida being a hotbed of religulous nutcases, I'm sure someone
> >has made such a claim at some point.) Do you understand the difference?
>
> >Give it a rest, Gordon, we've heard this particular line of argument
> >countless times before. You're not covering any new ground, and you
> >still haven't addressed the basic issue: there is no evidence for the
> >existence of supernatural gods of any sort--reptilian or otherwise.
>
> Ben, there is an ABUNDANCE of evidence that God exists, but this
> evidence is not transferable between human minds. If you and other
> atheists have your minds closed against God's existence, it will NEVER
> be possible for anyone to overwhelm you and force you to change your
> mind. To accept or to reject God is a fully volitional choice that you
> and all of us have. If it were possible to overwhelm an atheist's mind
> on this, they would NOT have a volitional choice at all.
>
> As I've said in previous posts, I'm not trying to re-direct you or
> overwhelm you with my beliefs on these matters. I'm posting merely for
> the benefit of those who are still searching for information, and who
> might want to review the Christian perspective on these matters.
>
> It is a lot easier to believe that an intelligent designer
> orchestrated the big bang and the formation of the multiverse, then
> created life on at least this one little insignificant planet, than it
> is to conclude that it was all a matter of chance.
>
> One little channel of thought on this subject...genetic mutations.  In
> most cases any significant chain of mutations had to progress through
> MANY very well orchestrated steps, involving many totally separate DNA
> mutations, before any tangible Darwinian natural selection benefits
> could have guided the further refinement.
>
> Leaving this to chance would surely have resulted in a complete
> failure of the process, or even the extinction of the life forms
> involved. Yet not just one, but millions of such chain-of-events
> evolutionary processes went to a very fine state of development in a
> very short period of time, in terms of the ordinary evolutionary
> processes time frame.
>
> Sure, evolution happens. Hereford cows and Angus cows are certainly
> different. But this micro evolution process doesn't spontaneously
> accomplish things like eyes in almost every advanced life form.
>
> Some form of cosmic intelligence (God) was in control through the
> critical developmental phase of all we can evaluate, objectively. It
> didn't just happen, spontaneously.
>
> I'll agree, one has to be careful how one tries to conceptualize God.
> God is spirit, not an oversized old man with a white beard, sitting on
> a majestic throne somewhere off in deep space. That concept was
> acceptable and favorable to those ancient people who knew nothing
> about the scientific order of the multiverse. But, most of us modern
> hominids have progressed beyond this, and now need an understanding of
> God that is more congruent with our scientific knowledge. It isn't
> that God doesn't exist, or no longer exists. It is merely that those
> old sources of information on God are not easy to reconcile with our
> current level of scientific knowledge.
>
> God is spirit and we must worship Him is spirit. That is to say, God
> exists as a cosmic intelligence that permeates the entire multiverse,
> and can interact across the entirety of the multiverse, instantly.
>
> This seems to fit right in with something in the realm of quantum
> entanglements. Note; I'm NOT saying that quantum entanglements explain
> the mind of God, but I believe this is pretty close. That is,
> something at the quark level, that functions about like we've observed
> in quantum entanglements, could perhaps provide means for
> consciousness, somewhat like the synapses of our own brains do.
>
> Quantum entangled particles "communicate" at trans-light speed. That
> is, they interact instantly, even across enormous distances. Something
> similar to quantum entanglements, involving all the quarks of the
> multiverse, could provide means for this cosmic consciousness that we
> call God.
>
> A cosmic consciousness such as this would fit right in with Biblical
> passages which state that God is aware of every hair of our heads, and
> even things as insignificant as a sparrow.
>
> Gordon

That's a big collection of handwaving that can be basically summarized
by, "I think it is therefor it is."
If evidence exists in your mind, and no-where else, then it's not
evidence.  Go talk to a psychiatrist or a psychology researcher about
halucinations.  Or even just read up about them.

Al