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"Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote in message 
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> "Antares 531" <gordonlrDELETE@swbell.net> wrote in message 
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>> It is a lot easier to believe that an intelligent designer
>> orchestrated the big bang and the formation of the multiverse, then
>> created life on at least this one little insignificant planet, than it
>> is to conclude that it was all a matter of chance.
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> Maybe for morons like you, but those of us that live in the real world 
> know better.

What gets me every time is the exceptionalist mindset: "we are special, we 
are different, we are the very pinnacle of creation, and that laone is 
evidence for divine favour and purpose".  I for one have never seen any 
evidence that we are alone in the universe, and scant evidence that we are 
at the pinnacle of anything except our unmatched capacity for mischief and 
mayhem.


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>> One little channel of thought on this subject...genetic mutations.  In
>> most cases any significant chain of mutations had to progress through
>> MANY very well orchestrated steps, involving many totally separate DNA
>> mutations, before any tangible Darwinian natural selection benefits
>> could have guided the further refinement.
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> Why?
> Just being able to run at 1MPH faster than your predator is a natural 
> selection advantage.
>

I don't need to be able to run 1mph faster than the predator.
I just need to be able to run faster than you.


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>> Leaving this to chance would surely have resulted in a complete
>> failure of the process, or even the extinction of the life forms
>> involved.
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> Why? Not all the species mutate, only some individuals.
> If the mutation(s) were not successful, only the mutated individuals would 
> die out.
> The remainder would carry on as before.

And if a life form goes extinct, so what?  No species is so valuable that 
its demise would threaten Life itself.  Extinction clears the decks, creates 
opportunities for other species.


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>> Yet not just one, but millions of such chain-of-events
>> evolutionary processes went to a very fine state of development in a
>> very short period of time, in terms of the ordinary evolutionary
>> processes time frame.
>
> Your evidence for this is?
>
>>
>> Sure, evolution happens. Hereford cows and Angus cows are certainly
>> different. But this micro evolution process doesn't spontaneously
>> accomplish things like eyes in almost every advanced life form.
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> The 'Irreducable Complexity' argument has been refuted many times.
> Try talk.origins for an explanation.
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>>
>> Some form of cosmic intelligence (God) was in control through the
>> critical developmental phase of all we can evaluate, objectively.
>
> Your evidence for this is?

AAMOF, if there was, He ought to have his pay docked, because human biology 
alone has lots of evidence that any controlling cosmic intelligence was 
asleep during that shift.  As a species, we're as buggy as Windows, and 
someone ought to get their money back.


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>> and we must worship Him is spirit.
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> Who says we MUST?

And why worship?  I may respect my mother who brought me into this world, 
but I sure as hell don't worship her.  I suspect she'd find it embarrassing.