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On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:15:08 -0700, ben_dolan_III@reet.com (Ben Dolan)
wrote:

>Antares 531 <gordonlrDELETE@swbell.net> wrote:
>
>> >> When I lived in Florida a few years back, I arrived home one evening
>> >> just after sundown and saw a very large alligator slithering across
>> >> our front lawn. I was afraid to get close to the beast but after it
>> >> began moving away I parked the car and went inside to tell my wife
>> >> about this alligator.
>> >>
>> >> We both came back out to look at the beast but it was gone and we
>> >> could find no trace of it. I had ample "evidence" that an alligator
>> >> had slithered across our front lawn, but I could not transfer this
>> >> evidence. My wife could either reject my claim or accept it on faith.
>> >>
>> >
>> >As you said, a claim, but not evidence.
>> >
>> There was evidence for me, but no transferable evidence. My point was
>> that there can be, and often is evidence that isn't transferable.
>
>But there's plenty of evidence that alligators live in Florida, isn't
>there? So your claim is completely reasonable based on considerable
>supporting evidence. If your claim was that the baby Jesus had slithered
>across your front lawn, then that would be a different matter
>altogether, now wouldn't it?  Believing you saw an alligator on your
>lawn isn't purely a matter of faith, but believing you saw Jesus would
>be (and Florida being a hotbed of religulous nutcases, I'm sure someone
>has made such a claim at some point.) Do you understand the difference?
>
>Give it a rest, Gordon, we've heard this particular line of argument
>countless times before. You're not covering any new ground, and you
>still haven't addressed the basic issue: there is no evidence for the
>existence of supernatural gods of any sort--reptilian or otherwise.
>
Ben, there is an ABUNDANCE of evidence that God exists, but this
evidence is not transferable between human minds. If you and other
atheists have your minds closed against God's existence, it will NEVER
be possible for anyone to overwhelm you and force you to change your
mind. To accept or to reject God is a fully volitional choice that you
and all of us have. If it were possible to overwhelm an atheist's mind
on this, they would NOT have a volitional choice at all.

As I've said in previous posts, I'm not trying to re-direct you or
overwhelm you with my beliefs on these matters. I'm posting merely for
the benefit of those who are still searching for information, and who
might want to review the Christian perspective on these matters.

It is a lot easier to believe that an intelligent designer
orchestrated the big bang and the formation of the multiverse, then
created life on at least this one little insignificant planet, than it
is to conclude that it was all a matter of chance.

One little channel of thought on this subject...genetic mutations.  In
most cases any significant chain of mutations had to progress through
MANY very well orchestrated steps, involving many totally separate DNA
mutations, before any tangible Darwinian natural selection benefits
could have guided the further refinement. 

Leaving this to chance would surely have resulted in a complete
failure of the process, or even the extinction of the life forms
involved. Yet not just one, but millions of such chain-of-events
evolutionary processes went to a very fine state of development in a
very short period of time, in terms of the ordinary evolutionary
processes time frame.

Sure, evolution happens. Hereford cows and Angus cows are certainly
different. But this micro evolution process doesn't spontaneously
accomplish things like eyes in almost every advanced life form.

Some form of cosmic intelligence (God) was in control through the
critical developmental phase of all we can evaluate, objectively. It
didn't just happen, spontaneously.

I'll agree, one has to be careful how one tries to conceptualize God.
God is spirit, not an oversized old man with a white beard, sitting on
a majestic throne somewhere off in deep space. That concept was
acceptable and favorable to those ancient people who knew nothing
about the scientific order of the multiverse. But, most of us modern
hominids have progressed beyond this, and now need an understanding of
God that is more congruent with our scientific knowledge. It isn't
that God doesn't exist, or no longer exists. It is merely that those
old sources of information on God are not easy to reconcile with our
current level of scientific knowledge.

God is spirit and we must worship Him is spirit. That is to say, God
exists as a cosmic intelligence that permeates the entire multiverse,
and can interact across the entirety of the multiverse, instantly. 

This seems to fit right in with something in the realm of quantum
entanglements. Note; I'm NOT saying that quantum entanglements explain
the mind of God, but I believe this is pretty close. That is,
something at the quark level, that functions about like we've observed
in quantum entanglements, could perhaps provide means for
consciousness, somewhat like the synapses of our own brains do. 

Quantum entangled particles "communicate" at trans-light speed. That
is, they interact instantly, even across enormous distances. Something
similar to quantum entanglements, involving all the quarks of the
multiverse, could provide means for this cosmic consciousness that we
call God.

A cosmic consciousness such as this would fit right in with Biblical
passages which state that God is aware of every hair of our heads, and
even things as insignificant as a sparrow. 

Gordon