🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: sci.physics
Article #13492

Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#13492
From: Smiler
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:22
67 lines
4493 bytes
"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
news:f7f19f17-719f-4850-8073-4e27768ce708@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 10, 4:46?pm, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:153baae9-4d0d-4534-8328-df5e2bc3af2f@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 10, 6:40?am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:38913d89-3357-4b6f-bb31-0f96afd06bc8@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 9, 4:51?am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:912d9182-3778-4b3d-8e07-d1bb05ec37c6@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Jul 8, 4:46?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>
> > > Jesus told Judas at the last supper that he knew he was going to
> > > betray ?him. ? He also told John that Judas was going to betray him.
>
> > > =========
>
> > > And he acquiesced in the betrayal.
> > > In other words, he gave Judas his blessing.
>
> > No he did not give Judas his blessing. ?He told him that he was not
> > going to stop him from carrying out the betrayal.
>
> > ==========
>
> > Which is effectively an endorsement.
> > He could have stopped this at any time.
> > He did not.
>
> He did not stop Judas because Jesus Christ gave Judas his agency, the
> same as everyone else. ?He did not need to stop Judas because in a
> short time he and three of his apostles would go to the Garden of
> Gethsemane and he would take upon himself the sins of the world,
> completing his work on earth.
>
> ===========
>
> ... none of which would have happened but for Judas.
>
> He wouldn't even have had to stop Judas, merely avoid his presence or 
> change
> his travel plans.
> Fact is, he had a death wish.
> He was gagging for the martyr's death.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Jesus Christ was not just a tourist on this earth the way you are.
He had a work to do.
=================================

The pay was terrible and the pension scheme was worse :-)

Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279 
Technical Details
Message-ID: <OWRdk.158020$8H5.122341@newsfe10.ams2>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!feed.xsnews.nl!border-1.ams.xsnews.nl!193.201.147.79.MISMATCH!transit4.hitnews.eu!eweka.nl!hq-usenetpeers.eweka.nl!69.16.177.246.MISMATCH!cyclone03.ams!news.ams.newshosting.com!npeersf01.ams!newsfe10.ams2.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail
References: <6cuh4dF3houn9U1@mid.individual.net> <48707a5f$1@clear.net.nz> <ae5a0e39-85c3-470d-948d-569f524c7324@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <487131a5$1@clear.net.nz> <c98d8d2d-9d30-4aa8-8aea-54a64f7e1544@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <48715a24$1@clear.net.nz> <c9e12c04-ba04-427e-a932-952b9c14730d@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <6dea67F25i03U1@mid.individual.net> <00c301e1-b58f-4d3d-8fd4-deb88ca5be9c@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <6dg2dmF2e9osU1@mid.individual.net> <wuadnQdHl4vUtu7VnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@bt.com> <6dh2dbF2fn1kU1@mid.individual.net> <912d9182-3778-4b3d-8e07-d1bb05ec37c6@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <6djn71F2tkrpU1@mid.individual.net> <38913d89-3357-4b6f-bb31-0f96afd06bc8@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <6dmhu3F35affU1@mid.individual.net> <153baae9-4d0d-4534-8328-df5e2bc3af2f@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <6dnle7F3hkmqU1@mid.individual.net> <f7f19f17-719f-4850-8073-4e27768ce708@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: 10b271,d932fee6d9806ab9
X-Google-Thread: 102f53,dac8026861d35fee
X-Google-Thread: f442a,d932fee6d9806ab9
X-Google-Thread: 116469,d932fee6d9806ab9
X-Google-Attributes: gid10b271,gid102f53,gidf442a,gid116469,domainid0,public,usenet
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!feed.xsnews.nl!border-1.ams.xsnews.nl!193.201.147.79.MISMATCH!transit4.hitnews.eu!eweka.nl!hq-usenetpeers.eweka.nl!69.16.177.246.MISMATCH!cyclone03.ams!news.ams.newshosting.com!npeersf01.ams!newsfe10.ams2.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail
From: "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism
References: <6cuh4dF3houn9U1@mid.individual.net> <48707a5f$1@clear.net.nz> <ae5a0e39-85c3-470d-948d-569f524c7324@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <487131a5$1@clear.net.nz> <c98d8d2d-9d30-4aa8-8aea-54a64f7e1544@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <48715a24$1@clear.net.nz> <c9e12c04-ba04-427e-a932-952b9c14730d@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <6dea67F25i03U1@mid.individual.net> <00c301e1-b58f-4d3d-8fd4-deb88ca5be9c@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <6dg2dmF2e9osU1@mid.individual.net> <wuadnQdHl4vUtu7VnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@bt.com> <6dh2dbF2fn1kU1@mid.individual.net> <912d9182-3778-4b3d-8e07-d1bb05ec37c6@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <6djn71F2tkrpU1@mid.individual.net> <38913d89-3357-4b6f-bb31-0f96afd06bc8@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <6dmhu3F35affU1@mid.individual.net> <153baae9-4d0d-4534-8328-df5e2bc3af2f@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <6dnle7F3hkmqU1@mid.individual.net> <f7f19f17-719f-4850-8073-4e27768ce708@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
Lines: 69
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138
X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080711-0, 11/07/2008), Outbound message
X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
Message-ID: <OWRdk.158020$8H5.122341@newsfe10.ams2>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.20.115.204
X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com
X-Trace: newsfe10.ams2 1215818542 82.20.115.204 (Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:22:22 EDT)
NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:22:22 EDT
Organization: virginmedia.com
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:22:13 +0100