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Article #13500Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: Smiler
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:18
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:18
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"The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message news:1215765710.4836.0@proxy02.news.clara.net... > rbwinn wrote: >> On Jul 10, 5:20?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >>> Alex W. wrote: >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>> news:08134c4b-46c5-454f-9a5f-47756eddfd59@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >>>> Without religion to oppose, atheists would do nothing at all. >>> Thats not true. They just would walk away from any discussion on the >>> subject thankfully, and get on with living, and in some case, trying to >>> understand the extraordinary universe we seem to find ourselves in. >>> >>> Really the transition fom a Gaia type animism picture of the universe, >>> to a personalised supernatural creator and law giver, to an impersonal >>> set of amoral laws..is not as abrupt as the fanboys would like to think. >>> >>> What is unusual, historically, is the fanatical faith needed to maintain >>> the concept of a personal and moral God, in the face of Reason. >>> >>> Mediaevally speaking, no one questioned that the world and events moved >>> according to some vast and ineffable and mysterious pattern, and the >>> concept of a supernatural intelligence and a plan, was pretty >>> reasonable..until science started uncovering the rules, which turned out >>> to be mindlessly simple, totally impersonal and implacable, and >>> impervious to personal appeal. And no evidence of intelligence at all. >>> >>> Note that none of this necessarily negates the proposition that faith, >>> belief, prayer, and a live lived AS IF there were an afterlife,is not a >>> Good Thing for people and civilisations. >>> >>> But none of these even indicate that what is believed in must of >>> necessity be true. >>> >>> Archers were able to hit targets long before Newton identified the Force >>> of Gravity. >>> >>> Understanding of the presumed science behind phenonmena is no >>> pre-requisite for learning to deal with them. Any ad-hoc theory that has >>> pragmatic use will do. >>> >>> If you look at religion in that light, it makes a lot of sense. >>> >>> Mired in dogma however, the fanatical Theist simply persists in the >>> useless, long past its sell-by date. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> ========== >>>> ..... other than get on with our lives ....- Hide quoted text - >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> If atheists want to believe that they are not intelligent, I see no >> problem with that. >> Robert B. Winn > And how is that in any way relevant to what I posted? You expect relevance from this moron? He can't even manage coherence, logic or truth. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
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X-Google-Thread: 10b271,d932fee6d9806ab9 X-Google-Thread: 102f53,dac8026861d35fee X-Google-Attributes: gid10b271,gid102f53,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!eweka.nl!hq-usenetpeers.eweka.nl!69.16.177.246.MISMATCH!cyclone03.ams!news.ams.newshosting.com!npeersf02.ams!newsfe30.ams2.POSTED!7564ea0f!not-for-mail From: "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism References: <6cuh4dF3houn9U1@mid.individual.net> <977o64poanvomm8a1v3laocl34vao15gjv@4ax.com> <c56bd774-98d7-41c8-9109-1640f73e28c6@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <1bnq64d4euistlgsq5qtnu20d1qj7um4kq@4ax.com> <1215165241.22790.2@proxy02.news.clara.net> <5dc0958f-9d10-436a-8604-80c14c2a8cde@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <c4cbaead-05f1-49aa-bfd9-e4b1b4947b61@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <46ae4c57-d080-4df8-acee-09ad65cf8661@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com> <b11734f8-c941-45b4-91bd-aa141e895be8@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <1215430282.24768.0@proxy00.news.clara.net> <2fc2333e-fec4-4a58-8800-49c95218cd4a@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> <845511a1-44f9-415e-8d3f-e5212112bf3a@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <08134c4b-46c5-454f-9a5f-47756eddfd59@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <6dma49F39icqU1@mid.individual.net> <1215692488.17430.0@proxy01.news.clara.net> <395ede6d-e5fd-47d7-95d0-70b0c8b1b730@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> <1215765710.4836.0@proxy02.news.clara.net> Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists? Lines: 67 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080712-0, 12/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Message-ID: <FLSdk.61632$7v1.40566@newsfe30.ams2> NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.20.115.204 X-Complaints-To: http://netreport.virginmedia.com X-Trace: newsfe30.ams2 1215821925 82.20.115.204 (Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:18:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 20:18:45 EDT Organization: virginmedia.com Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:18:37 +0100