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Article #13509Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: The Natural Philosopher
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:41
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:41
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rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 10, 5:20�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >> Alex W. wrote: >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>> news:08134c4b-46c5-454f-9a5f-47756eddfd59@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >>> Without religion to oppose, atheists would do nothing at all. >> Thats not true. They just would walk away from any discussion on the >> subject thankfully, and get on with living, and in some case, trying to >> understand the extraordinary universe we seem to find ourselves in. >> >> Really the transition fom a Gaia type animism picture of the universe, >> to a personalised supernatural creator and law giver, to an impersonal >> set of amoral laws..is not as abrupt as the fanboys would like to think. >> >> What is unusual, historically, is the fanatical faith needed to maintain >> the concept of a personal and moral God, in the face of Reason. >> >> Mediaevally speaking, no one questioned that the world and events moved >> according to some vast and ineffable and mysterious pattern, and the >> concept of a supernatural intelligence and a plan, was pretty >> reasonable..until science started uncovering the rules, which turned out >> to be mindlessly simple, totally impersonal and implacable, and >> impervious to personal appeal. And no evidence of intelligence at all. >> >> Note that none of this necessarily negates the proposition that faith, >> belief, prayer, and a live lived AS IF there were an afterlife,is not a >> Good Thing for people and civilisations. >> >> But none of these even indicate that what is believed in must of >> necessity be true. >> >> Archers were able to hit targets long before Newton identified the Force >> of Gravity. >> >> Understanding of the presumed science behind phenonmena is no >> pre-requisite for learning to deal with them. Any ad-hoc theory that has >> pragmatic use will do. >> >> If you look at religion in that light, it makes a lot of sense. >> >> Mired in dogma however, the fanatical Theist simply persists in the >> useless, long past its sell-by date. >> >> >> >> >> >>> ========== >>> ..... other than get on with our lives ....- Hide quoted text - >> - Show quoted text - > > If atheists want to believe that they are not intelligent, I see no > problem with that. > Robert B. Winn And how is that in any way relevant to what I posted?
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