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Article #13543Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: Smiler
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:00
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:00
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:395ede6d-e5fd-47d7-95d0-70b0c8b1b730@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... On Jul 10, 5:20?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: > Alex W. wrote: > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > >news:08134c4b-46c5-454f-9a5f-47756eddfd59@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > Without religion to oppose, atheists would do nothing at all. > > Thats not true. They just would walk away from any discussion on the > subject thankfully, and get on with living, and in some case, trying to > understand the extraordinary universe we seem to find ourselves in. > > Really the transition fom a Gaia type animism picture of the universe, > to a personalised supernatural creator and law giver, to an impersonal > set of amoral laws..is not as abrupt as the fanboys would like to think. > > What is unusual, historically, is the fanatical faith needed to maintain > the concept of a personal and moral God, in the face of Reason. > > Mediaevally speaking, no one questioned that the world and events moved > according to some vast and ineffable and mysterious pattern, and the > concept of a supernatural intelligence and a plan, was pretty > reasonable..until science started uncovering the rules, which turned out > to be mindlessly simple, totally impersonal and implacable, and > impervious to personal appeal. And no evidence of intelligence at all. > > Note that none of this necessarily negates the proposition that faith, > belief, prayer, and a live lived AS IF there were an afterlife,is not a > Good Thing for people and civilisations. > > But none of these even indicate that what is believed in must of > necessity be true. > > Archers were able to hit targets long before Newton identified the Force > of Gravity. > > Understanding of the presumed science behind phenonmena is no > pre-requisite for learning to deal with them. Any ad-hoc theory that has > pragmatic use will do. > > If you look at religion in that light, it makes a lot of sense. > > Mired in dogma however, the fanatical Theist simply persists in the > useless, long past its sell-by date. > > > > > > > ========== > > > ..... other than get on with our lives ....- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - If atheists want to believe that they are not intelligent, I see no problem with that. ========================== No atheist could ever lower themself to the level of intelligence you display, moron. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
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