🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: sci.physics
Article #13545

Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

#13545
From: rbwinn
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:03
60 lines
4428 bytes
On Jul 10, 4:46�pm, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> news:153baae9-4d0d-4534-8328-df5e2bc3af2f@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 10, 6:40?am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:38913d89-3357-4b6f-bb31-0f96afd06bc8@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 9, 4:51?am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:912d9182-3778-4b3d-8e07-d1bb05ec37c6@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Jul 8, 4:46?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>
> > > Jesus told Judas at the last supper that he knew he was going to
> > > betray ?him. ? He also told John that Judas was going to betray him.
>
> > > =========
>
> > > And he acquiesced in the betrayal.
> > > In other words, he gave Judas his blessing.
>
> > No he did not give Judas his blessing. ?He told him that he was not
> > going to stop him from carrying out the betrayal.
>
> > ==========
>
> > Which is effectively an endorsement.
> > He could have stopped this at any time.
> > He did not.
>
> He did not stop Judas because Jesus Christ gave Judas his agency, the
> same as everyone else. �He did not need to stop Judas because in a
> short time he and three of his apostles would go to the Garden of
> Gethsemane and he would take upon himself the sins of the world,
> completing his work on earth.
>
> ===========
>
> ... none of which would have happened but for Judas.
>
> He wouldn't even have had to stop Judas, merely avoid his presence or change
> his travel plans.
> Fact is, he had a death wish.
> He was gagging for the martyr's death.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Jesus Christ was not just a tourist on this earth the way you are.
He had a work to do.
Robert B. Winn
Technical Details
Message-ID: <f7f19f17-719f-4850-8073-4e27768ce708@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
References: <6cuh4dF3houn9U1@mid.individual.net> <48707a5f$1@clear.net.nz> <ae5a0e39-85c3-470d-948d-569f524c7324@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <487131a5$1@clear.net.nz> <c98d8d2d-9d30-4aa8-8aea-54a64f7e1544@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com> <48715a24$1@clear.net.nz> <c9e12c04-ba04-427e-a932-952b9c14730d@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <6dea67F25i03U1@mid.individual.net> <00c301e1-b58f-4d3d-8fd4-deb88ca5be9c@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <6dg2dmF2e9osU1@mid.individual.net> <wuadnQdHl4vUtu7VnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@bt.com> <6dh2dbF2fn1kU1@mid.individual.net> <912d9182-3778-4b3d-8e07-d1bb05ec37c6@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <6djn71F2tkrpU1@mid.individual.net> <38913d89-3357-4b6f-bb31-0f96afd06bc8@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <6dmhu3F35affU1@mid.individual.net> <153baae9-4d0d-4534-8328-df5e2bc3af2f@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <6dnle7F3hkmqU1@mid.individual.net>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Thread: 10b271,d932fee6d9806ab9
X-Google-Thread: 102f53,dac8026861d35fee
X-Google-Thread: f442a,d932fee6d9806ab9
X-Google-Thread: 116469,d932fee6d9806ab9
X-Google-Attributes: gid10b271,gid102f53,gidf442a,gid116469,domainid0,public,usenet
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,UTF8
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
From: rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com>
Newsgroups: sci.physics,cam.misc,alt.sci.physics,alt.atheism
Subject: Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:03:19 -0700 (PDT)
Organization: http://groups.google.com
Lines: 60
Message-ID: <f7f19f17-719f-4850-8073-4e27768ce708@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>
References: <6cuh4dF3houn9U1@mid.individual.net> <48707a5f$1@clear.net.nz> 
 <ae5a0e39-85c3-470d-948d-569f524c7324@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
 <487131a5$1@clear.net.nz> <c98d8d2d-9d30-4aa8-8aea-54a64f7e1544@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
 <48715a24$1@clear.net.nz> <c9e12c04-ba04-427e-a932-952b9c14730d@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
 <6dea67F25i03U1@mid.individual.net> <00c301e1-b58f-4d3d-8fd4-deb88ca5be9c@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
 <6dg2dmF2e9osU1@mid.individual.net> <wuadnQdHl4vUtu7VnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@bt.com>
 <6dh2dbF2fn1kU1@mid.individual.net> <912d9182-3778-4b3d-8e07-d1bb05ec37c6@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
 <6djn71F2tkrpU1@mid.individual.net> <38913d89-3357-4b6f-bb31-0f96afd06bc8@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
 <6dmhu3F35affU1@mid.individual.net> <153baae9-4d0d-4534-8328-df5e2bc3af2f@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>
 <6dnle7F3hkmqU1@mid.individual.net>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.117.9
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Trace: posting.google.com 1215748999 22220 127.0.0.1 (11 Jul 2008 04:03:19 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:03:19 +0000 (UTC)
Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com
Injection-Info: y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com; posting-host=205.188.117.9; 
 posting-account=i6vpvwoAAABRbNds_JrzhNT-NaeHIrDG
User-Agent: G2/1.0
X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; AOL 9.0; Windows NT 5.1; 
 .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
X-HTTP-Via: HTTP/1.1 (Velocity/1.1.1 [uScMs f p eN:t cCMp s ]), HTTP/1.1 
 spider-dtc-td09.proxy.aol.com[CDBC7069] (Prism/1.2.1), HTTP/1.1
 cache-dtc-ae05.proxy.aol.com[CDBC7509] (Traffic-Server/6.1.5 [uScM])