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Article #13590Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: Alex W.
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:46
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:46
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message news:153baae9-4d0d-4534-8328-df5e2bc3af2f@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... On Jul 10, 6:40?am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:38913d89-3357-4b6f-bb31-0f96afd06bc8@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 9, 4:51?am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:912d9182-3778-4b3d-8e07-d1bb05ec37c6@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > On Jul 8, 4:46?am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > > > Jesus told Judas at the last supper that he knew he was going to > > betray ?him. ? He also told John that Judas was going to betray him. > > > ========= > > > And he acquiesced in the betrayal. > > In other words, he gave Judas his blessing. > > No he did not give Judas his blessing. ?He told him that he was not > going to stop him from carrying out the betrayal. > > ========== > > Which is effectively an endorsement. > He could have stopped this at any time. > He did not. He did not stop Judas because Jesus Christ gave Judas his agency, the same as everyone else. He did not need to stop Judas because in a short time he and three of his apostles would go to the Garden of Gethsemane and he would take upon himself the sins of the world, completing his work on earth. =========== ... none of which would have happened but for Judas. He wouldn't even have had to stop Judas, merely avoid his presence or change his travel plans. Fact is, he had a death wish. He was gagging for the martyr's death.
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