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Article #13593Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: The Natural Philosopher
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:20
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:20
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Alex W. wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message > news:08134c4b-46c5-454f-9a5f-47756eddfd59@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > > Without religion to oppose, atheists would do nothing at all. Thats not true. They just would walk away from any discussion on the subject thankfully, and get on with living, and in some case, trying to understand the extraordinary universe we seem to find ourselves in. Really the transition fom a Gaia type animism picture of the universe, to a personalised supernatural creator and law giver, to an impersonal set of amoral laws..is not as abrupt as the fanboys would like to think. What is unusual, historically, is the fanatical faith needed to maintain the concept of a personal and moral God, in the face of Reason. Mediaevally speaking, no one questioned that the world and events moved according to some vast and ineffable and mysterious pattern, and the concept of a supernatural intelligence and a plan, was pretty reasonable..until science started uncovering the rules, which turned out to be mindlessly simple, totally impersonal and implacable, and impervious to personal appeal. And no evidence of intelligence at all. Note that none of this necessarily negates the proposition that faith, belief, prayer, and a live lived AS IF there were an afterlife,is not a Good Thing for people and civilisations. But none of these even indicate that what is believed in must of necessity be true. Archers were able to hit targets long before Newton identified the Force of Gravity. Understanding of the presumed science behind phenonmena is no pre-requisite for learning to deal with them. Any ad-hoc theory that has pragmatic use will do. If you look at religion in that light, it makes a lot of sense. Mired in dogma however, the fanatical Theist simply persists in the useless, long past its sell-by date. > > ========== > > ..... other than get on with our lives .... > > >
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