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On Jul 9, 11:00 am, "Mark K. Bilbo" <gm...@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
> rbwinn wrote:
> > On Jul 7, 8:24�pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Jul 7, 9:06 pm, rich...@rmeredith.co.uk (Richard Meredith) wrote:
>
> >>> In article <sba274h0m6sfce2dq2q7nqsrh2lca5p...@4ax.com>,
> >>> lu...@nofreelunch.us (Free Lunch) wrote:
> >>>> *From:* Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> >>>> *Date:* Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:24:39 -0500
> >>>> On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 16:25 +0100 (BST), rich...@rmeredith.co.uk (Richard
> >>>> Meredith) wrote in alt.atheism:
> >>>>> In article <dv3v641nlblt9lrl26j45pnb5v085e8...@4ax.com>,
> >>>>> lu...@nofreelunch.us (Free Lunch) wrote:
> >>>>>>> Atheists, theists - what's the difference? They're both equally
> >>>>>> dogmatic
> >>>>>>> that what they happen to believe is the one and only version of
> >>>> the >> truth,
> >>>>>>> despite a complete inability to prove it - or even put up a
> >>>> decent >> set of
> >>>>>>> repeatable and verifiable evidence that supports their position.
> >>>>>> What rubbish. Atheists say they don't believe in gods. The lack of
> >>>>>> evidence for gods is sufficient not to believe in them. It is not
> >>>>>> necessary for atheists to prove that gods do not exist to not
> >>>> believe >> in
> >>>>>> them. Do you believe in Thor because you cannot prove he does not
> >>>>>> exist?
> >>>>> I don't believe in Thor but that doesn't give me any authority to
> >>>> insist
> >>>>> on his nonexistence to someone who does: if someone does, or claims
> >>>> to,
> >>>>> that's their business and none of mine. The atheists who have the
> >>>> marked
> >>>>> similarity to theists are not those who happen not to share the
> >>>> beliefs
> >>>>> of the theists, but are content to let them believe whatever they
> >>>> want to,
> >>>>> but those who get in longwinded, dogmatic and frequently ill-tempered
> >>>>> arguments about who is right, despite neither side having any real
> >>>>> evidence either that they are right or that their opponent is wrong.
> >>>> Once again, you erroneously equate the lack of evidence that the
> >>>> theists
> >>>> have with the lack of evidence that those who reject the doctrine of
> >>>> the
> >>>> theists. They are not equivalent. In all analysis of whether A exists,
> >>>> it is appropriate and necessary to start with the assumption that A
> >>>> does
> >>>> not exist and find evidence to disprove it. You defend silly claims,
> >>>> the
> >>>> flakier the better, because there is no evidence that the silly claim
> >>>> is
> >>>> false.
> >>> If a claim is silly then evidence will exist that it is silly. If no such
> >>> evidence exists there is no justification for describing it as silly.
> >>> Your argument, therefore, is one of defending prejudice, since you are
> >>> assuming that the position you are attacking is silly, without evidence
> >>> that it is anything of the sort.
> >>> There is an equal lack of evidence that the doctrines of theists and
> >>> strong atheists are correct; in the lack of such evidence there is no
> >>> justification for assuming that there is any fundamental difference in
> >>> the status of a viewpoint supported by faith.
> >> You are banking on a philosophical context, or approach.
> >> When we talk about evidence, we are then sure of things or event or
> >> happening. Anything solid in this world would have the possibility of
> >> a definition.
> >> But a god...can you provide a definition and his existence?
> >> You very well know that a heaven and hell thing are the invention of
> >> human imagination and yet you believe we should not doubt them?
> >> And the god is showering this world with diseases, right? Why is that?
> >> A decent human can have a brain that is full of sense, in search of
> >> logic but a clouded mind will never be cleared of dogma.- Hide quoted text -
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> > Well, yes.  We have Jesus Christ, notwithstanding all of the efforts
> > of atheists to pretend he never existed.
>
> You mean there isn't any evidence he existed and it upsets you that
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I could care less what atheists do.
Robert B. Winn