Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: Smiler
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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
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On Jul 8, 2:41?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> The Loan Arranger wrote:
> > Ben Dolan wrote:
> >> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> According to scripture unless a prayer is asked in faith it will not
> >>>>> be answered.
> >>>>> Robert B. Winn
> >>>> And according to empirical evidence, a prayer asked in faith will
> >>>> not be
> >>>> answered either.
> >>> What do you call empirical evidence?
> >>> Robert B. Winn
>
> >> You hang out in physics newsgroups and you don't know what empirical
> >> evidence is? I'm talking about peer reviewed, double-blind studies on
> >> the efficacy--or more precisely, the complete lack of efficacy--of
> >> prayer.
>
> > I hate to mention it, but have you read `The Efficacy of "Distant
> > Healing"' (Annals of Internal Medicine, 2000, 132/11 pp.903-910)?
>
> > It was a study of peer-reviewed studies (mostly double-blind) into a
> > range of healing methods, including "healing touch" and intercessionary
> > prayer. Although it ruled that a number of the trials suffered from poor
> > protocols or inherent bias, it did conclude that a majority showed
> > statistically significant treatment effects, including trials considered
> > well structured and conducted.
>
> > The article had a good range of grant fundings, including the Wellcome
> > Trust, the ?National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine
> > and the National Institutes of Health.
>
> > One of the more interesting conclusions, by the way, is that although
> > Christian prayer appeared somewhat efficacious, a number of other
> > methods, some Pagan, some atheist (in the sense of having no worship
> > element), worked equally well or better.
>
> Indeed. Prayer has effect. But to whom, is largely irrelevant ;-)
>
>
>
> > TLA- Hide quoted text -
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Sennacherib, the Assyrian king, was praying to a graven image when his
two sons murdered him.
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Was he praying to be murdered?

Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279

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