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On Jul 8, 8:11�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> Steve O wrote:
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> > "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:6dh49mF2hjcqU1@mid.individual.net...
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> >> "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote in message
> >>news:6dg2m3F2d900U1@mid.individual.net...
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> >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:7b8ae166-6369-43d9-9a73-74e6975c43c2@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
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> >>>> On Jul 6, 9:42 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> > On Jul 6, 5:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
> >>>>> >> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> >>> On Jul 6, 11:02?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> >>>>> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> >>>>> >>>>> My definition of sin was willful disobedience of God.
> >>>>> ?Bearing >>>>> false
> >>>>> >>>>> witness about me would fall under the category of willful
> >>>>> >>>>> disobedience
> >>>>> >>>>> of God.
> >>>>> >>>> In that case you are totally guilty of that exact sin.
> >>>>> >>>> We have already established by your own definitions that you
> >>>>> are a
> >>>>> >>>> sinful person (onkl Jesus is free of sin you said) , and your
> >>>>> lack >>>> of
> >>>>> >>>> charity excommnunicates you as a Christian. (you wont talk to
> >>>>> God >>>> on
> >>>>> >>>> anyones behalf..)
> >>>>> >>>> I think you are in deep trouble, dude.
> >>>>> >>> No, I am fine. I say a little prayer every once in a while about
> >>>>> >>> atheists.
> >>>>> >> That one ever get answered? ;-)- Hide quoted text -
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> >>>>> > Well, I know one atheist who became a Christian.
>
> >>>>> Ah nice. I was just such a man. I eventually grew out of it though.
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> >>>> Well, you were just an atheist working undercover.
> >>>> If you were going back to atheism, you were never really a believer.
> >>>> Robert B. Winn
>
> >>> Every single atheist in this newsgroup started out as an atheist. (so
> >>> did every Christian too, for that matter)
> >>> Some of us converted to Christianity from atheism, then back again.
> >>> I have a two year old who is an atheist, he has absolutely no belief
> >>> in God whatsoever.
>
> >> I'm not sure that counts, seeing as he believes in Santa Claus, the
> >> Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and the Monster Under The Bed.
>
> > Actually, he's also asantaist, abunnyist, afairyist and amonsterist too.
> > He's only two years old, Alex, he doesn't even know what those things
> > are yet, plus, we're very careful about what sort of fairy tales we tell
> > him anyway.
> > Besides, kids aren't dumb.
> > Any parent could see that kids operate on two levels anyway.
> > On one level, they like the fantasy/monster stories and enjoy being
> > scared by them, and on another level they are fully aware that it's only
> > make- believe.
> > They're not stupid but they enjoy the exciting pretence of it all
> > The only time it becomes stupid is when they carry that over to
> > adulthood and start believing that the magic stories are real.
>
> >> IME, children are naturally credulous.
>
> > Naturally trusting, not credulous.
> > There's a difference .
>
> >> We pick explanations that fit the available facts. �If our environment
> >> acts as if Santa Claus is real and we have no evidence to doubt that
> >> assertion, we believe.
>
> > It all depends on what Mom and Pop tell us, right?
> > When we're telling them about Jack and the beanstalk, they know we're
> > not being serious, but still go along with the story.
> > The problem occurs when we tell them about Jesus walking on water and
> > raising the dead, and they naturally assume we are being serious about
> > that, because we always make the distinction either directly or
> > indirectly between one magic story and the other.
> > "Now forget about all of those silly magic stories we told you - here's
> > some REAL magic stories"
> > The Santa story is simply training wheels for the God story any way.
> > It amazes me that at my daughters school, she can have science lessons
> > one minute, where she is taught to examine facts using the scientific
> > method, and in the next Religious Education lesson straight afterward,
> > she is told to abandon any critical thinking skills and simply believe.
> > Why does the education system insist on trying to confuse our children
> > like that?
>
> No problem, provided she realises there is a sign over the RI classroom
> saying 'abandon reason, all ye who enter here'- Hide quoted text -
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She is only going to that class so that you will have something to
complain about.
Robert B. Winn