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On Jul 7, 7:41 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 7, 8:11 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 6, 8:23 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > > On Jul 5, 8:36 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 4, 8:25�pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > > > > On Jul 4, 8:33 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
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> > > > > > On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 04:29:48 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
> > > > > > in alt.atheism:
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> > > > > > >On Jul 3, 10:59 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >> On Jul 4, 12:44 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > >> > On Jul 3, 5:32?pm, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> > > > > > >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > > >> > >news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > >> > > On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> > > > > > >> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > > >> > > >news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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> > > > > > >> > > > Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in
> > > > > > >> > > > the presence of God than with the devils in hell.
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> > > > > > >> > > > In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart choice is
> > > > > > >> > > > to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality ....
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> > > > > > >> > > No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. ?However, atheists claim
> > > > > > >> > > that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent.
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> > > > > > >> > > Sin is a social construct. ?It exists irrespective of the god(s) worshipped
> > > > > > >> > > ... or not, as the case may be.
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> > > > > > >> > Well, there is no sin in heaven. �Maybe that is why atheists do not
> > > > > > >> > want to go there.
> > > > > > >> > Robert B. Winn
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> > > > > > >> This is a big lie invented by you, two in fact, please acknowledge !
> > > > > > >> 1). You are here on earth and not in the heaven, how do you know there
> > > > > > >> is no sin there?
> > > > > > >> 2). No atheist has indicated to you that he does not want to go to
> > > > > > >> heaven, and you put word into his mouth.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > > >Jesus Christ said that no person will enter heaven who has not been
> > > > > > >cleansed of sin. �All atheists I have conversed with have told me they
> > > > > > >do not want to enter heaven.
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> > > > > > Telling you that heaven does not exist does not mean that they don't
> > > > > > want to go there, merely that they aren't going to waste their time
> > > > > > hoping for a future in the afterlife when there are things to be done
> > > > > > now.
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> > > > > > The afterlife is a fake.
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> > > > > I would have thought that the heaven where all are controlled is more
> > > > > totalitarian than any system on earth? I dread to know the condition
> > > > > of those choose to be there when they are not free to speak, to do
> > > > > things they want, etc.
> > > > > There are always price to pay, in any system, or heaven. As the saying
> > > > > goes: Nothing comes free.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > So what you are saying is that if a person chooses not to sin, then
> > > > that person is "controlled".  The wages of sin is death.  So it is
> > > > basically a choice betweein life and death.  You say that if a person
> > > > chooses life, then they are not free to speak , to do the things they
> > > > want.  What do you think is so free about death?
> > > > Robert B. Winn
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> > > You are not talking any sense here.
> > > What I am saying is that you have a god in the heaven and he is
> > > supreme. When a being is supreme, he would give orders for things to
> > > be done, or not allowing any thing he is not happy.
> > > You can't talk, laugh, eat, smile, wonder around, move, run, look or
> > > even breath, unless commanded.
> > > Why do you think that's the better place to be?
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> > You have it wrong.  The being you are describing is Satan.  God allows
> > people to make their own decisions.  If they make mistakes, He tries
> > to give them the correct information.  But after a sufficient time, if
> > they are not going to correct themselves, they are left to themselves.
> > Robert B. Winn
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> 1. You are saying that satan stays in the heaven as well?
> 2. You are lying when you say god allows people to make their own
> decision.
>    I thought you always say that you have been command to believe in
> him, pray to him and listen
>    to him.
> 3. If you do not want to be controlled, why should you want to live in
> heaven?
> 4. As far as I can imagine, heaven is for god, how on earth the human
> can be allow there?
>     This is just like you will never allow other human to live in your
> own home, right? And you
>     don't have the space to house so many.- Hide quoted text -
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We are commanded to pray.  The individual person decides whether they
will do it or not.  Most people do not pray.
Robert B. Winn