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Article #13700Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:11
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:11
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On Jul 8, 4:46�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > "The Loan Arranger" <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in messagenews:wuadnQdHl4vUtu7VnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@bt.com... > > > Steve O wrote: > >> All we said was that, contrary to your claim that the crucifixion was the > >> work of the devil, the crucifixion was essential for the redemption of > >> sin, therefore Judas did the world a favour. > > > Until quite some time after the event, Judas was considered to have done > > Jesus a favour, by agreeing reluctantly to hand him over, according to > > Jesus's wishes. > > I remember that as something told to me at school, by the monks who ran the > school. > Something about some kind of request that was whispered into Judas's ear > during the Last Supper, apparently. > Not sure if this is part of mainstream Catholic doctrine or something they > just dreamt up. > > > > > It was only when the evolving church needed an antihero that Judas's role > > was recast from tragic hero to traitor. > > Looks like those monks were behind the times, then. > > -- > Steve O Jesus told Judas at the last supper that he knew he was going to betray him. He also told John that Judas was going to betray him. Robert B. Winn
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