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Article #13703Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:07
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:07
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On Jul 8, 2:41�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: > The Loan Arranger wrote: > > Ben Dolan wrote: > >> rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote: > > >>>>> According to scripture unless a prayer is asked in faith it will not > >>>>> be answered. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> And according to empirical evidence, a prayer asked in faith will > >>>> not be > >>>> answered either. > >>> What do you call empirical evidence? > >>> Robert B. Winn > > >> You hang out in physics newsgroups and you don't know what empirical > >> evidence is? I'm talking about peer reviewed, double-blind studies on > >> the efficacy--or more precisely, the complete lack of efficacy--of > >> prayer. > > > I hate to mention it, but have you read `The Efficacy of "Distant > > Healing"' (Annals of Internal Medicine, 2000, 132/11 pp.903-910)? > > > It was a study of peer-reviewed studies (mostly double-blind) into a > > range of healing methods, including "healing touch" and intercessionary > > prayer. Although it ruled that a number of the trials suffered from poor > > protocols or inherent bias, it did conclude that a majority showed > > statistically significant treatment effects, including trials considered > > well structured and conducted. > > > The article had a good range of grant fundings, including the Wellcome > > Trust, the �National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine > > and the National Institutes of Health. > > > One of the more interesting conclusions, by the way, is that although > > Christian prayer appeared somewhat efficacious, a number of other > > methods, some Pagan, some atheist (in the sense of having no worship > > element), worked equally well or better. > > Indeed. Prayer has effect. But to whom, is largely irrelevant ;-) > > > > > TLA- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Sennacherib, the Assyrian king, was praying to a graven image when his two sons murdered him. Robert B. Winn
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