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Steve O wrote:
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> "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
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>> "Steve O" <nospamhere@thanks.com> wrote in message 
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>>> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
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>>>> On Jul 6, 9:42 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> > On Jul 6, 5:06 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>> >> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> >>> On Jul 6, 11:02?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>> >>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> >>>>> My definition of sin was willful disobedience of God. 
>>>>> ?Bearing >>>>> false
>>>>> >>>>> witness about me would fall under the category of willful 
>>>>> >>>>> disobedience
>>>>> >>>>> of God.
>>>>> >>>> In that case you are totally guilty of that exact sin.
>>>>> >>>> We have already established by your own definitions that you 
>>>>> are a
>>>>> >>>> sinful person (onkl Jesus is free of sin you said) , and your 
>>>>> lack >>>> of
>>>>> >>>> charity excommnunicates you as a Christian. (you wont talk to 
>>>>> God >>>> on
>>>>> >>>> anyones behalf..)
>>>>> >>>> I think you are in deep trouble, dude.
>>>>> >>> No, I am fine. I say a little prayer every once in a while about
>>>>> >>> atheists.
>>>>> >> That one ever get answered? ;-)- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>> > Well, I know one atheist who became a Christian.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah nice. I was just such a man. I eventually grew out of it though. 
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>>>>
>>>> Well, you were just an atheist working undercover.
>>>> If you were going back to atheism, you were never really a believer.
>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>
>>> Every single atheist in this newsgroup started out as an atheist. (so 
>>> did every Christian too, for that matter)
>>> Some of us converted to Christianity from atheism, then back again.
>>> I have a two year old who is an atheist, he has absolutely no belief 
>>> in God whatsoever.
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>> I'm not sure that counts, seeing as he believes in Santa Claus, the 
>> Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and the Monster Under The Bed.
> 
> Actually, he's also asantaist, abunnyist, afairyist and amonsterist too.
> He's only two years old, Alex, he doesn't even know what those things 
> are yet, plus, we're very careful about what sort of fairy tales we tell 
> him anyway.
> Besides, kids aren't dumb.
> Any parent could see that kids operate on two levels anyway.
> On one level, they like the fantasy/monster stories and enjoy being 
> scared by them, and on another level they are fully aware that it's only 
> make- believe.
> They're not stupid but they enjoy the exciting pretence of it all
> The only time it becomes stupid is when they carry that over to 
> adulthood and start believing that the magic stories are real.
> 
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>> IME, children are naturally credulous.
> 
> Naturally trusting, not credulous.
> There's a difference .
> 
>> We pick explanations that fit the available facts.  If our environment 
>> acts as if Santa Claus is real and we have no evidence to doubt that 
>> assertion, we believe.
> 
> It all depends on what Mom and Pop tell us, right?
> When we're telling them about Jack and the beanstalk, they know we're 
> not being serious, but still go along with the story.
> The problem occurs when we tell them about Jesus walking on water and 
> raising the dead, and they naturally assume we are being serious about 
> that, because we always make the distinction either directly or 
> indirectly between one magic story and the other.
> "Now forget about all of those silly magic stories we told you - here's 
> some REAL magic stories"
> The Santa story is simply training wheels for the God story any way.
> It amazes me that at my daughters school, she can have science lessons 
> one minute, where she is taught to examine facts using the scientific 
> method, and in the next Religious Education lesson straight afterward, 
> she is told to abandon any critical thinking skills and simply believe.
> Why does the education system insist on trying to confuse our children 
> like that?
> 
> 
No problem, provided she realises there is a sign over the RI classroom 
saying 'abandon reason, all ye who enter here'