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Article #13728Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: James Burns
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:20
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:20
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rbwinn wrote: > Well, all you are doing is saying that God is guilty of > murder every time a natural death occurs. I do not > think you will get far with that idea. I have trouble thinking about "natural deaths" in connection with God. For humans, calling a death "natural" means no one did anything to bring it about. But doesn't Gospel assure us : Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of : them will fall to the ground apart from the will of : your Father. [Matthew 10:29] Insurance companies would probably call a natural death an "act of God". What might a death that was NOT God's will be like? Maybe you could clarify what you mean by "natural death" in the context of God's activity in the world, whatever that activity may be. First, what would you count as a life saved by God? Spin some scenarios. It doesn't matter (for once) about evidence that any of these scenarios has ever occurred. I'm just asking for your opinion. What would you count as definitely a God-caused death? Almost as important: what would you count as a death that was definitely NOT God-caused? Some possibilities: Drowning in Noah's flood? Drowning in any other flood? A lightning strike? A lightning strike from an empty sky? Cancer that did not receive a prayed-for miraculous remission? Execution by church members doing God's will? Assuming that you choose to clarify what you are trying to say, thanks in advance. Jim Burns
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