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Article #13734Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: The Loan Arranger
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:46
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:46
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Ben Dolan wrote: > rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote: > >>>> According to scripture unless a prayer is asked in faith it will not >>>> be answered. >>>> Robert B. Winn >>> And according to empirical evidence, a prayer asked in faith will not be >>> answered either. >> What do you call empirical evidence? >> Robert B. Winn > > You hang out in physics newsgroups and you don't know what empirical > evidence is? I'm talking about peer reviewed, double-blind studies on > the efficacy--or more precisely, the complete lack of efficacy--of > prayer. I hate to mention it, but have you read `The Efficacy of "Distant Healing"' (Annals of Internal Medicine, 2000, 132/11 pp.903-910)? It was a study of peer-reviewed studies (mostly double-blind) into a range of healing methods, including "healing touch" and intercessionary prayer. Although it ruled that a number of the trials suffered from poor protocols or inherent bias, it did conclude that a majority showed statistically significant treatment effects, including trials considered well structured and conducted. The article had a good range of grant fundings, including the Wellcome Trust, the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine and the National Institutes of Health. One of the more interesting conclusions, by the way, is that although Christian prayer appeared somewhat efficacious, a number of other methods, some Pagan, some atheist (in the sense of having no worship element), worked equally well or better. TLA
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