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Article #13739Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: The Natural Philosopher
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:41
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 09:41
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The Loan Arranger wrote: > Ben Dolan wrote: >> rbwinn <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote: >> >>>>> According to scripture unless a prayer is asked in faith it will not >>>>> be answered. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> And according to empirical evidence, a prayer asked in faith will >>>> not be >>>> answered either. >>> What do you call empirical evidence? >>> Robert B. Winn >> >> You hang out in physics newsgroups and you don't know what empirical >> evidence is? I'm talking about peer reviewed, double-blind studies on >> the efficacy--or more precisely, the complete lack of efficacy--of >> prayer. > > I hate to mention it, but have you read `The Efficacy of "Distant > Healing"' (Annals of Internal Medicine, 2000, 132/11 pp.903-910)? > > It was a study of peer-reviewed studies (mostly double-blind) into a > range of healing methods, including "healing touch" and intercessionary > prayer. Although it ruled that a number of the trials suffered from poor > protocols or inherent bias, it did conclude that a majority showed > statistically significant treatment effects, including trials considered > well structured and conducted. > > The article had a good range of grant fundings, including the Wellcome > Trust, the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine > and the National Institutes of Health. > > One of the more interesting conclusions, by the way, is that although > Christian prayer appeared somewhat efficacious, a number of other > methods, some Pagan, some atheist (in the sense of having no worship > element), worked equally well or better. > Indeed. Prayer has effect. But to whom, is largely irrelevant ;-) > TLA
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