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On Jul 7, 3:30 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 6, 3:37 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> >> > On Jul 6, 12:11 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> >> >> > On Jul 6, 2:52 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> >> >> >> > On Jul 5, 3:17 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> >> >> >> >> > On Jul 5, 3:17 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> >> >> >> >> >> > On Jul 4, 9:29�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> >> >> >> >> >> >>news:2491245c-d5d7-4548-a60c-460baa59d9b4@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
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> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sin is what you think it is.
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> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I think sin is wilful disobedience to God.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
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> >> >> >> >> >> >> In that case, I've never committed a sin.
> >> >> >> >> >> >> God has never personally told me to do anything, so how is
> >> >> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> >> >> possible
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> >> >> >> >> >> >> me to disobey him?
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> >> >> >> >> >> > Well, Joesf Stalin said something very similar when he
> >> >> >> >> >> > killed
> >> >> >> >> >> > 12
> >> >> >> >> >> > million people. Atheists justify anything they do by saying
> >> >> >> >> >> > there
> >> >> >> >> >> > is
> >> >> >> >> >> > no God.
> >> >> >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
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> >> >> >> >> >> I don't think you are following the point here.
> >> >> >> >> >> I didn't say that there is no God, I said that God has never
> >> >> >> >> >> personally
> >> >> >> >> >> asked me to do or not do anything and it would therefore be
> >> >> >> >> >> impossible
> >> >> >> >> >> for
> >> >> >> >> >> me to wilfully disobey him if I have never once received an
> >> >> >> >> >> order
> >> >> >> >> >> or
> >> >> >> >> >> request
> >> >> >> >> >> from him.
> >> >> >> >> >> So do you agree that I am sinless, by your definition of sin?
> >> >> >> >> > No, the only one who was without sin was Jesus Christ.
> >> >> >> >> > Robert B. winn
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> >> >> >> >> And me, apparently.
> >> >> >> >> Oh, yeah, and the Virgin Mary too, I believe.(not)
> >> >> >> > 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves,
> >> >> >> > and
> >> >> >> > the truth is not in us.
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> >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
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> >> >> >> It wasn't me who was saying it- you were the one who was claiming
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> I
> >> >> >> was
> >> >> >> sinless by YOUR definition of sin.
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> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Steve O
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> >> >> > My definition of sin was willful disobedience of God.
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> >> >> Exactly!
> >> >> I have never, ever once disobeyed God in my entire life.
> >> >> I've disobeyed parents, employers, teachers... even the wife once or
> >> >> twice,
> >> >> but I have never once disobeyed God, just like I have never disobeyed
> >> >> a
> >> >> Cornish tap dancer with one glass eye and a pink tutu.
> >> >> Having never met either God or the tap dancer or ever having held any
> >> >> discussion with either of them directly it would be impossible for me
> >> >> to
> >> >> disobey them at all.
> >> >> Neither of them have ever directly issued any instructions for me to
> >> >> obey.
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> >> >> > Bearing false witness about me would fall under the category of
> >> >> > willful
> >> >> > disobedience
> >> >> > of God.
> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
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> >> >> No it wouldn't, God has never once instructed or ordered me to never
> >> >> lie
> >> >> to
> >> >> you, or anyone else for that matter, therefore I have never disobeyed
> >> >> him.
> >> >> Prove me wrong.
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> >> > Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
> >> > So you are saying that you were not familiar with that commandment.
> >> > This is the first time you have ever heard it.
> >> > Robert B. Winn
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> >> I am saying no such thing.
> >> You don't catch on very quick, do you?
> >> I am simply saying that by YOUR definition of sin, I have never sinned,
> >> as I
> >> have simply never received an instruction from God to disobey.
> >> God did not issue that commandment to me.
> >> It was written down by some half- witted goat herder a couple of thousand
> >> years ago and cannot be described in any way as an instruction from God.
> >> If I have to obey God, I'll take his orders directly, thank you, and not
> >> from you or from any sandal wearing half-starved mystic scribe who isn't
> >> even alive any more.
> >> Once again, if you can prove that I have EVER received an instruction
> >> from
> >> God, (which I know for a fact I haven't) then please do so.
> >> In the meantime, by your own definition, I am STILL sinless.
> >> YOU are the one who is a sinner, since YOU are the one who believes that
> >> God
> >> communicates with you, not me.
> >> Only YOU can disobey his instructions, because as far as I'm concerned,
> >> I've
> >> never received any.
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> >> --
> >> Steve O
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> > Well, your claim is that Jesus Christ never existed, which is an
> > atheist fiction.
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> That's not my claim at all.
> My claim is that there is no corroborative evidence outside of the bible
> that Jesus existed, and certainly not in the way he is described.
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> >  According to Jesus Christ, he was Jehovah, the God
> > of the Old Testament.
> > Robert B. Winn
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> Which has exactly what to do with my statement- that according to your
> definition of sin, I am sinless?
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> --
> Steve O

It means I am not here to judge anyone.  Discuss it with Jesus Christ.
Robert B. Winn