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On Jul 7, 8:11 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 8:23 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > On Jul 5, 8:36 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > > On Jul 4, 8:25�pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > > > On Jul 4, 8:33 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
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> > > > > On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 04:29:48 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
> > > > > in alt.atheism:
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> > > > > >On Jul 3, 10:59 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >> On Jul 4, 12:44 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > > > > >> > On Jul 3, 5:32?pm, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> > > > > >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > >> > >news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >> > > On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> > > > > >> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > >> > > >news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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> > > > > >> > > > Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in
> > > > > >> > > > the presence of God than with the devils in hell.
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> > > > > >> > > > In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart choice is
> > > > > >> > > > to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality ....
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> > > > > >> > > No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. ?However, atheists claim
> > > > > >> > > that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent.
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> > > > > >> > > Sin is a social construct. ?It exists irrespective of the god(s) worshipped
> > > > > >> > > ... or not, as the case may be.
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> > > > > >> > Well, there is no sin in heaven. �Maybe that is why atheists do not
> > > > > >> > want to go there.
> > > > > >> > Robert B. Winn
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> > > > > >> This is a big lie invented by you, two in fact, please acknowledge !
> > > > > >> 1). You are here on earth and not in the heaven, how do you know there
> > > > > >> is no sin there?
> > > > > >> 2). No atheist has indicated to you that he does not want to go to
> > > > > >> heaven, and you put word into his mouth.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > >Jesus Christ said that no person will enter heaven who has not been
> > > > > >cleansed of sin. �All atheists I have conversed with have told me they
> > > > > >do not want to enter heaven.
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> > > > > Telling you that heaven does not exist does not mean that they don't
> > > > > want to go there, merely that they aren't going to waste their time
> > > > > hoping for a future in the afterlife when there are things to be done
> > > > > now.
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> > > > > The afterlife is a fake.
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> > > > I would have thought that the heaven where all are controlled is more
> > > > totalitarian than any system on earth? I dread to know the condition
> > > > of those choose to be there when they are not free to speak, to do
> > > > things they want, etc.
> > > > There are always price to pay, in any system, or heaven. As the saying
> > > > goes: Nothing comes free.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > So what you are saying is that if a person chooses not to sin, then
> > > that person is "controlled".  The wages of sin is death.  So it is
> > > basically a choice betweein life and death.  You say that if a person
> > > chooses life, then they are not free to speak , to do the things they
> > > want.  What do you think is so free about death?
> > > Robert B. Winn
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> > You are not talking any sense here.
> > What I am saying is that you have a god in the heaven and he is
> > supreme. When a being is supreme, he would give orders for things to
> > be done, or not allowing any thing he is not happy.
> > You can't talk, laugh, eat, smile, wonder around, move, run, look or
> > even breath, unless commanded.
> > Why do you think that's the better place to be?
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> You have it wrong.  The being you are describing is Satan.  God allows
> people to make their own decisions.  If they make mistakes, He tries
> to give them the correct information.  But after a sufficient time, if
> they are not going to correct themselves, they are left to themselves.
> Robert B. Winn

1. You are saying that satan stays in the heaven as well?
2. You are lying when you say god allows people to make their own
decision.
   I thought you always say that you have been command to believe in
him, pray to him and listen
   to him.
3. If you do not want to be controlled, why should you want to live in
heaven?
4. As far as I can imagine, heaven is for god, how on earth the human
can be allow there?
    This is just like you will never allow other human to live in your
own home, right? And you
    don't have the space to house so many.