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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: BuddyThunder
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:41
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 6, 5:05 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 6, 11:07 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 6, 1:01�am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>>> Smiler wrote:
>>>>>>> "Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:i2nt649tvtdd1sofkag02co4c9n4s1vt6e@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 19:26:01 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 8:42?am, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:28:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 3:03?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex W. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the presence of God than with the devils in hell.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===========
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality ....
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. ?However, atheists claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which to me indicates you have no idea what sin, or repentance, is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==========
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sin is a social construct. ?It exists irrespective of the god(s)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worshipped
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... or not, as the case may be.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>>> Sin is wilful disobedience of God. ?Repentance is confessing and
>>>>>>>>>>> forsaking sin.
>>>>>>>>>> As far as we can tell, God is a human invention. God never told us to do
>>>>>>>>>> anything. Sin, therefore, is also a human invention.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>>>>> So once an atheist enters into sin, there is no turning back from
>>>>>>>>> it. � I guess that was why Josef Stalin killed 12 million people.
>>>>>>>> God is still a human invention. Clearly the fear of God does not stop
>>>>>>>> you from lying in almost every post.
>>>>>>>> I will not respond to you for a while, you have become far too nasty in
>>>>>>>> your discussions here.
>>>>>>> That's exactly what he wants!
>>>>>>> If everyone ignored him, he would be free to spread his lies without
>>>>>>> opposition.
>>>>>>> The answer is to fight his lies, nastyness and stupidity with the reply it
>>>>>>> deserves...Ho! <whack>.
>>>>>> If there's something worth a response, I will respond. If it's nothing
>>>>>> but silly lies, unevidenced assertions or "atheists are Nazis" nonsense,
>>>>>> then the whacking will come.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> I believe that atheists are exactly like Nazis.  That has been my
>>>>> experience with them.
>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>> I believe fundamental christians are just like Nazis.
>>>> they both know they are justified in anything, because they are
>>>> completely right (wing?)
>>>> .- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> Not me.  I am registered as an independent voter.
>> You can be right-wing without being aligned with any major political
>> party. I'm a leftie, but I'm not a member of the Greens or the Labour
>> Party here in NZ.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> You do not understand.  I believe that all political parties are
> pretty much the same.  They are all bad government.

Oh. Fine. I have no wish for a political tete-a-tete. I thought you were 
inferring that you somehow couldn't be right-wing without joining the 
repubs.
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