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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 6, 12:57 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> On Jul 5, 2:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 4, 8:37�pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 4, 11:32 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:26:53 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
>>>>>>> in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 2:57 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 4:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 5:28?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth considering.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I consider God to be sufficient support. ?If you think He is
>>>>>>>>>>>> not, ?go ahead and try to prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>> Please provide any evidence that any claim ever made about God is true.
>>>>>>>>>> Well, there is an earthen ramp that the Assyrian army built to get
>>>>>>>>>> over the city wall at Lachish.
>>>>>>>>> So? I have built several earthen ramps.
>>>>>>>>> Am I then God?
>>>>>>>>>> Atheists do not believe in the earthen ramp.
>>>>>>>>> well firstly that is false, because I do believe in earthen ramps,
>>>>>>>>> having built many, and I am an atheist.
>>>>>>>>> And secondly what has the fact that �person B may or may not believe
>>>>>>>>> statement X, have to do with the existence, or not, of personality Z?
>>>>>>>> God did not build the earthen ramp. �The Assyrian army did. �God would
>>>>>>>> have preferred that they did not build it and had left the city of
>>>>>>>> Lachish and its inhabitants alone.
>>>>>>> Are you saying that God was powerless to stop them?
>>>>>> The bible contains enormous mistakes to glorify god yet plainly
>>>>>> telling us that god is a useless being.
>>>>>> The early Jews who wrote it were not educated, or might be drunk. Yes,
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>>>>> Well, as you say, if you think God is a useless being, then you will
>>>>> choose to be with the beings you think of as being useful, other
>>>>> atheists.
>>>> So you concede there are many mistakes or untruths in the Bible then?- Hide quoted text -
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>>> Why does it depend on me?   The Bible is what it is.  If you do not
>>> like the Bible, read something else.
>> No answer? I just wanted to know how reliable you thought the Bible was.
>> I know it to be full of errors and distortions, just wondered what your
>> position on it was. You seem to think it better than other sacred texts
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> 
> I think the Bible is very reliable.  The Jews were very meticulous as
> far as preserving ancient writings.  For instance, the Dead Sea
> scrolls of Isaiah are a good example of how accurately the Bible was
> translated.

The Bible was very accurately transcribed - for humans. They did an 
amazing job. Not a perfect job, there are lots of differences between 
the early versions we have, but not bad for a bunch of people.

It's the content that I find even less reliable though, that's what I 
was driving at, and I think you know that.

Much reported as history in the Bible simply never happened. No global 
flood, no special creation, no exodus...