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"rbwinn" <rbwinn3@juno.com> wrote in message 
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> On Jul 6, 12:11 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
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>> > On Jul 6, 2:52 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
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>> >> > On Jul 5, 3:17 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
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>> >> >> > On Jul 5, 3:17 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
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>> >> >> >> > On Jul 4, 9:29�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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>> >> >> >> >> >> Sin is what you think it is.
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>> >> >> >> >> > I think sin is wilful disobedience to God.
>> >> >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
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>> >> >> >> >> In that case, I've never committed a sin.
>> >> >> >> >> God has never personally told me to do anything, so how is it
>> >> >> >> >> possible
>> >> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> >> me to disobey him?
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>> >> >> >> > Well, Joesf Stalin said something very similar when he killed 
>> >> >> >> > 12
>> >> >> >> > million people. Atheists justify anything they do by saying 
>> >> >> >> > there
>> >> >> >> > is
>> >> >> >> > no God.
>> >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn
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>> >> >> >> I don't think you are following the point here.
>> >> >> >> I didn't say that there is no God, I said that God has never
>> >> >> >> personally
>> >> >> >> asked me to do or not do anything and it would therefore be
>> >> >> >> impossible
>> >> >> >> for
>> >> >> >> me to wilfully disobey him if I have never once received an 
>> >> >> >> order
>> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> request
>> >> >> >> from him.
>> >> >> >> So do you agree that I am sinless, by your definition of sin?

>> >> >> > No, the only one who was without sin was Jesus Christ.
>> >> >> > Robert B. winn
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>> >> >> And me, apparently.
>> >> >> Oh, yeah, and the Virgin Mary too, I believe.(not)
>> >> > 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
>> >> > the truth is not in us.
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>> >> > Robert B. Winn
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>> >> It wasn't me who was saying it- you were the one who was claiming that 
>> >> I
>> >> was
>> >> sinless by YOUR definition of sin.
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>> >> Steve O
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>> > My definition of sin was willful disobedience of God.
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>> Exactly!
>> I have never, ever once disobeyed God in my entire life.
>> I've disobeyed parents, employers, teachers... even the wife once or 
>> twice,
>> but I have never once disobeyed God, just like I have never disobeyed a
>> Cornish tap dancer with one glass eye and a pink tutu.
>> Having never met either God or the tap dancer or ever having held any
>> discussion with either of them directly it would be impossible for me to
>> disobey them at all.
>> Neither of them have ever directly issued any instructions for me to 
>> obey.
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>> > Bearing false witness about me would fall under the category of willful
>> > disobedience
>> > of God.
>> > Robert B. Winn
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>> No it wouldn't, God has never once instructed or ordered me to never lie 
>> to
>> you, or anyone else for that matter, therefore I have never disobeyed 
>> him.
>> Prove me wrong.

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> Exodus 20:16  Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
> So you are saying that you were not familiar with that commandment.
> This is the first time you have ever heard it.
> Robert B. Winn

I am saying no such thing.
You don't catch on very quick, do you?
I am simply saying that by YOUR definition of sin, I have never sinned, as I 
have simply never received an instruction from God to disobey.
God did not issue that commandment to me.
It was written down by some half- witted goat herder a couple of thousand 
years ago and cannot be described in any way as an instruction from God.
If I have to obey God, I'll take his orders directly, thank you, and not 
from you or from any sandal wearing half-starved mystic scribe who isn't 
even alive any more.
Once again, if you can prove that I have EVER received an instruction from 
God, (which I know for a fact I haven't) then please do so.
In the meantime, by your own definition, I am STILL sinless.
YOU are the one who is a sinner, since YOU are the one who believes that God 
communicates with you, not me.
Only YOU can disobey his instructions, because as far as I'm concerned, I've 
never received any.

-- 
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
Convicted by Earthquack
Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence
Sinless by definition of rbwinn