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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:59:50 +1200, BuddyThunder
<nospam@paradise.net.nz> wrote in alt.atheism:

>rbwinn wrote:
>> On Jul 6, 12:57 am, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>> On Jul 5, 2:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 4, 8:37?pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 11:32 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:26:53 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 2:57 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 4:15?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 03:44:40 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> in alt.atheism:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 5:28?pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your claim is completely without support. Since you rely on an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indefensible claim for the rest of your doctrine, your doctrines are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth considering.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, I consider God to be sufficient support. ?If you think He is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not, ?go ahead and try to prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please provide any evidence that any claim ever made about God is true.
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, there is an earthen ramp that the Assyrian army built to get
>>>>>>>>>>> over the city wall at Lachish.
>>>>>>>>>> So? I have built several earthen ramps.
>>>>>>>>>> Am I then God?
>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists do not believe in the earthen ramp.
>>>>>>>>>> well firstly that is false, because I do believe in earthen ramps,
>>>>>>>>>> having built many, and I am an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>> And secondly what has the fact that ?person B may or may not believe
>>>>>>>>>> statement X, have to do with the existence, or not, of personality Z?
>>>>>>>>> God did not build the earthen ramp. ?The Assyrian army did. ?God would
>>>>>>>>> have preferred that they did not build it and had left the city of
>>>>>>>>> Lachish and its inhabitants alone.
>>>>>>>> Are you saying that God was powerless to stop them?
>>>>>>> The bible contains enormous mistakes to glorify god yet plainly
>>>>>>> telling us that god is a useless being.
>>>>>>> The early Jews who wrote it were not educated, or might be drunk. Yes,
>>>>>>> more drunk than wake.- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>> Well, as you say, if you think God is a useless being, then you will
>>>>>> choose to be with the beings you think of as being useful, other
>>>>>> atheists.
>>>>> So you concede there are many mistakes or untruths in the Bible then?- Hide quoted text -
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>>>> Why does it depend on me?   The Bible is what it is.  If you do not
>>>> like the Bible, read something else.
>>> No answer? I just wanted to know how reliable you thought the Bible was.
>>> I know it to be full of errors and distortions, just wondered what your
>>> position on it was. You seem to think it better than other sacred texts
>>> for some reason.- Hide quoted text -
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>> 
>> I think the Bible is very reliable.  The Jews were very meticulous as
>> far as preserving ancient writings.  For instance, the Dead Sea
>> scrolls of Isaiah are a good example of how accurately the Bible was
>> translated.
>
>The Bible was very accurately transcribed - for humans. They did an 
>amazing job. Not a perfect job, there are lots of differences between 
>the early versions we have, but not bad for a bunch of people.
>
>It's the content that I find even less reliable though, that's what I 
>was driving at, and I think you know that.
>
>Much reported as history in the Bible simply never happened. No global 
>flood, no special creation, no exodus...

Yes, copying a mistake faithfully does not make the mistake go away.