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Article #13975Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:29
Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:29
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On Jul 6, 2:52 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > news:7540b7ce-8632-44ca-a5ed-5e9cfe084e17@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 3:17 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >>news:10ce2a97-5663-43dd-bb2e-86940cdbecd7@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > >> > On Jul 5, 3:17 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >> >>news:58898c9c-aad4-4d16-8b51-5ee0f0b2a835@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> > On Jul 4, 9:29�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...@thanks.com> wrote: > >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message > > >> >> >>news:2491245c-d5d7-4548-a60c-460baa59d9b4@z66g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> >> >> Sin is what you think it is. > > >> >> >> > I think sin is wilful disobedience to God. > >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> >> >> In that case, I've never committed a sin. > >> >> >> God has never personally told me to do anything, so how is it > >> >> >> possible > >> >> >> for > >> >> >> me to disobey him? > > >> >> > Well, Joesf Stalin said something very similar when he killed 12 > >> >> > million people. Atheists justify anything they do by saying there is > >> >> > no God. > >> >> > Robert B. Winn > > >> >> I don't think you are following the point here. > >> >> I didn't say that there is no God, I said that God has never > >> >> personally > >> >> asked me to do or not do anything and it would therefore be impossible > >> >> for > >> >> me to wilfully disobey him if I have never once received an order or > >> >> request > >> >> from him. > >> >> So do you agree that I am sinless, by your definition of sin? > >> > No, the only one who was without sin was Jesus Christ. > >> > Robert B. winn > > >> And me, apparently. > >> Oh, yeah, and the Virgin Mary too, I believe.(not) > > 1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and > > the truth is not in us. > > > Robert B. Winn > > It wasn't me who was saying it- you were the one who was claiming that I was > sinless by YOUR definition of sin. > > -- > Steve O My definition of sin was willful disobedience of God. Bearing false witness about me would fall under the category of willful disobedience of God. Robert B. Winn
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