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Article #1401Re: Aristotle and the Modern Physicist
From: Mcirvin
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:41
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 15:41
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matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr)) writes: >[The scene: Aristotle is accidentally translated in time to the late >20th century, while working on the Physics. He asks a Modern Physicist >to help him to catch up with things.] [After the Modern Physicist convinces Aristotle that inertia is not due to interaction with an "inerton"... Aristotle studies gravity, and greatly admires Einstein's extension of Newton.] >A: Well, Einstein has explained gravity by transferring it from the >domain of the Second Law to that of the First. A free particle moves >along a "straight line", where this expression is taken to mean a >geodesic in the appropriate spacetime. Thus we can say, eg, that the >Earth moves around the Sun, not, as Newton mistakenly thought, because >the Sun and the Earth interact, but rather because they DO NOT interact! >If they interacted, the motion would not be geodesic. Magnificent! >MP: No! No! You have it all wrong! The Earth moves around the Sun >because there is some interaction [let us call it "gravity"] mediated by >some hitherto undetected particle which I hereby dub the "graviton", >with a spin that may readily be calculated........ >Moral: It takes more than an Einstein to abolish the fantasy of the >"gravitational interaction". Very funny, but I think you're being a bit harsh on the Modern Physicist here. Nobody expects quantum gravity to be a theory in which all gravitational interactions can be calculated via, say, Feynman diagrams involving the exchange of virtual gravitons. What is hoped is just that the dynamics of geometry can be made into a quantum theory. *Real* gravitons would be quite present in such a case: gravitational radiation, waves in the metric, would occur only in discrete quanta. Even if it were possible to turn quantum gravity into something accessible via perturbation theory, one must realize that physicists are being rather metaphorical when they speak of virtual particles caroming off each other to mediate forces. The pictures are largely a computational and visualization aid for what is really the interplay of fields, which happen to consist of quantum operators. Granted that things under the influence of gravity travel along geodesics, you can't deny that the metric affects where they end up going. In that sense there is an interaction with the "gravitational field," defined as fluctuations in the geometry. And if Aristotle said to the Modern Physicist that the amount of rest mass belonging to the particle was due to an "inerton," the Modern Physicist would probably agree with him! -- Matt McIrvin mcirvin@husc.harvard.edu Long live short .sigs
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!ogicse!das-news.harvard.edu!husc-news.harvard.edu!husc8!mcirvin From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Mcirvin) Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: Aristotle and the Modern Physicist Message-ID: <mcirvin.711906105@husc8> Date: 23 Jul 92 15:41:45 GMT Article-I.D.: husc8.mcirvin.711906105 References: <1992Jul23.055247.12293@nuscc.nus.sg> Lines: 54 Nntp-Posting-Host: husc8.harvard.edu