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On Jul 4, 8:25�pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 4, 8:33 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
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> > On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 04:29:48 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote
> > in alt.atheism:
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> > >On Jul 3, 10:59 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Jul 4, 12:44 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > >> > On Jul 3, 5:32?pm, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> > >> > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> > >> > >news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> > >> > > On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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> > >> > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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> > >> > > >news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
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> > >> > > > Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in
> > >> > > > the presence of God than with the devils in hell.
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> > >> > > > In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart choice is
> > >> > > > to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality ....
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> > >> > > No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. ?However, atheists claim
> > >> > > that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent.
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> > >> > > Sin is a social construct. ?It exists irrespective of the god(s) worshipped
> > >> > > ... or not, as the case may be.
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> > >> > Well, there is no sin in heaven. �Maybe that is why atheists do not
> > >> > want to go there.
> > >> > Robert B. Winn
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> > >> This is a big lie invented by you, two in fact, please acknowledge !
> > >> 1). You are here on earth and not in the heaven, how do you know there
> > >> is no sin there?
> > >> 2). No atheist has indicated to you that he does not want to go to
> > >> heaven, and you put word into his mouth.- Hide quoted text -
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> > >Jesus Christ said that no person will enter heaven who has not been
> > >cleansed of sin. �All atheists I have conversed with have told me they
> > >do not want to enter heaven.
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> > Telling you that heaven does not exist does not mean that they don't
> > want to go there, merely that they aren't going to waste their time
> > hoping for a future in the afterlife when there are things to be done
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> > The afterlife is a fake.
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> I would have thought that the heaven where all are controlled is more
> totalitarian than any system on earth? I dread to know the condition
> of those choose to be there when they are not free to speak, to do
> things they want, etc.
> There are always price to pay, in any system, or heaven. As the saying
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So what you are saying is that if a person chooses not to sin, then
that person is "controlled".  The wages of sin is death.  So it is
basically a choice betweein life and death.  You say that if a person
chooses life, then they are not free to speak , to do the things they
want.  What do you think is so free about death?
Robert B. Winn