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Article #1404Re: Twins Paradox Resolved
From: John C. Baez
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:38
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 16:38
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In article <1992Jul23.050957.6557@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Mcinnes B T (Dr)) writes: >John Baez: What, more reticence? I'm sure I speak for many when I say >that I would be very interested to hear about those 3 hours of debate on >the twins. Please post a summary. Thanks rett My reticence is never more than momentary. We started out talking about relativistic free particles and got into the twin "paradox". I think the upshot was what I described in a previous post. Namely, the only reason why one might expect the twins to have the same age upon meeting each other again is some sort of symmetry argument. When you realize that one computes a twin's age by calculating the length of his worldline using the Minkowski metric, one should realize that a symmetry argument is only applicable when there is an isometry of Minkowski space mapping one twins worldline to the other. I.e., when their worldlines look the same up to translations, rotations, and Lorentz boosts. There's never any way to map a geodesic (unaccelerated worldline) to a nongeodesic (accelerated worldline) so if one twin has felt acceleration and the other not it's clear that no symmetry argument applies. However, in fancier spacetimes like the torus world there may even be two timelike geodesics that cannot be mapped to one another via isometries, so one can have two unaccelerated twins who meet with different ages. We also discussed the version of the twin paradox that von Flandern likes so much. Here of course the trick is that simultaneity is an frame-dependent concept. We also went over the extra things you have to do to take into account what relativistic observers actually SEE - namely, take into account the time it takes light to get there. (All the things we SEE at t=0 is a different notion than all the things happening at t=0 in our frame.) Here the famous case is the fact that one will SEE a rapidly moving sphere as having a perfectly round profile, despite the Lorentz length contraction. I also showed them how to rapidly draw Lorentz-boosted coordinate systems in 2-d spacetime diagrams, an invaluable skill. Hint: call your coordinates t and x. A Lorentz boost will map the diagonal lines t = x and t = -x to themselves. Since a Lorentz boost is volume preserving, it simply stretches out the line t = x by some factor k while squishing in the line t = -x by the factor 1/k. I.e. in lightcone coordinates u = x+t, v = t-x, we get something like u -> u/k v -> kv Everyone who hasn't done this twice already is advised to take the situation von Flandern describes and draw a spacetime diagram of it first in "our" coordinate system and then the coordinate system in which the astronaut is at rest, to see his explanation of why he's so much younger than us stay-at-homes.
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Newsgroups: sci.physics Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!galois!riesz!jbaez From: jbaez@riesz.mit.edu (John C. Baez) Subject: Re: Twins Paradox Resolved Message-ID: <1992Jul23.163826.5848@galois.mit.edu> Sender: news@galois.mit.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: riesz Organization: MIT Department of Mathematics, Cambridge, MA References: <1992Jul22.153702.25130@galois.mit.edu> <1992Jul23.050957.6557@nuscc.nus.sg> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 16:38:26 GMT Lines: 49