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Article #14080Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: The Natural Philosopher
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 09:49
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 09:49
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rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 4, 8:42�am, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote: >> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 08:28:00 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote >> in alt.atheism: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jul 4, 3:03?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >>>> Alex W. wrote: >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:9fadb87c-6364-49eb-9ca6-c8fd555f6cd3@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Jul 3, 6:05?am, "Alex W." <ing...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:f807e4d0-b40f-4cb8-bb4c-12f00021898d@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >>>>>> Well, the scriptures say that the wicked would be more miserable in >>>>>> the presence of God than with the devils in hell. >>>>>> =========== >>>>>> In other words, since we are all sinful by definition, the smart choice is >>>>>> to aim for hell in the first place. ?Nice morality .... >>>>> No, the smart choice is to repent of sins. ?However, atheists claim >>>>> that nothing they do is sin, so they are not going to repent. >>>> Which to me indicates you have no idea what sin, or repentance, is. >>>>> ========== >>>>> Sin is a social construct. ?It exists irrespective of the god(s) worshipped >>>>> ... or not, as the case may be.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Sin is wilful disobedience of God. �Repentance is confessing and >>> forsaking sin. >> As far as we can tell, God is a human invention. God never told us to do >> anything. Sin, therefore, is also a human invention.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > So once an atheist enters into sin, there is no turning back from > it. I guess that was why Josef Stalin killed 12 million people. No, he did that because it was an Omnipotents God's Will Surely? Unless you subscribe to the Manichean Heresy, whih says that there is an equally powerful force of sin, and it was HIS will ;-) The trouble with the 'God is Good, God is top dog' theory is that its manifestly untrue. Unless you redefine Good to include Evil, of course.. > Robert B. Winn
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