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On Jul 3, 6:27 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 3, 7:38 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 3, 4:08�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
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> > > Steve O wrote:
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> > > > "BuddyThunder" <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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> > > >> rbwinn wrote:
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> > > >>> God has eternal life, something atheists do not believe in and do not
> > > >>> want. �The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches that
> > > >>> members will inherit all that the Father hath if they are faithful,
> > > >>> which means that members of the church will also inherit eternal
> > > >>> life. �So members of the church can become like God, something that
> > > >>> was commanded also in the New Testament. � Be ye therefore perfect,
> > > >>> even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect. �So there is
> > > >>> nothing new in any of these doctrines. �They were taught by Jesus
> > > >>> Christ in his lifetime.
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> > > >> We would probably want it if it could be shown to be anything other
> > > >> than wishful thinking.
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> > > > I wouldn't want it at all.
> > > > What the hell are going to do on your
> > > > 1000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00­�0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,­0�00,000,000,000,000th
> > > > day in eternity that you haven't already done a million times already?
> > > > Good grief, you'd be bored shitless, if not driven insane by the sheer,
> > > > mind-numbing boredom.
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> > > Ah, but its eternity. It's timeless.
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> > > Actually this stuff all makes perfect sense to me, but not in the
> > > context of a supernatural being..unless you want to call the Universe such.
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> > > The original philosophers and shamans who tried to describe the world
> > > were not stupid: they just lacked the vocabulary.
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> > > For stupidity, you have to come down past the political religions like
> > > Christianity, to the mere followers like our Robbo, who hasn't really
> > > got a clue about the philosophy and mysticism that underlies the belief
> > > set and worldview he so desperately clings to.
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> > > Religious texts are well worthy of study as long as you throw away the
> > > interpretations of *churches*.
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> > > I've skimmed most of the worlds esoteric knowledge base..I eschewed
> > > Christianity because it was so blatantly stupid, until last. Then I
> > > found that it had much in common with other world religions: There is in
> > > all a basic structure that pertains to something. Its just that
> > > Christianity, and Islam, have both overlaid it with a huge amount of
> > > utter rubbish that they insist is the pure literal truth.
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> > > You will get a far more interesting slant on religion from an atheist:
> > > who may have actually stuidied the subject dispassionately: with a
> > > Christian or Muslim (excluding the Dervish movement) its a package deal,
> > > by and large, Buy it or not. There is no room for understanding: Just FAITH.
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> > > But Faith is just a small tool on one step of a ladder of understanding.
> > > Not the be all and end all of it.
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> > > Its like science, where people want to be told 'whatever is the case'
> > > (Wittgenstein). The truth is no one knows. We are also operating in
> > > ultimate ignorance, using a set of rules and tools that produce results,
> > > without any real confirmation that those rules and tools have any real
> > > correlation with the underlying reality (if indeed there is such) of the
> > > universe.
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> > > It gets worse. Largely reality is *what you think it is* because so much
> > > of it is interpreted into your worldview and belief system: enough so
> > > that an Epiphany CAN totally change someones subjective life: that
> > > little trick is traded on by every priest there ever has been..to
> > > demonstrate the reality of their particular brand of snake oil.
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> > > I can levitate certain objects. Sounds impressive, and so it would be to
> > > a stone age man. You would instantly spot the remote control devices in
> > > my hand...;-) HOWEVER I could in principle use that as the basis of a
> > > system to impress hunter gatherers that I had direct access to whatever
> > > power they believed existed already, and thereby create a religion and
> > > my own position in it.
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> > > Its been done so many times..
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> > > Don't throw out babies with bathwater: Religious material has matter of
> > > interest. Just bypass the interpretations of the Faithful, and make up
> > > your own mind.
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> > > Eternity is a state of mind in which the faculty to organise things in
> > > an event stream is not operating. You can by one or more of various
> > > approaches experience this yourself. To the practitioner this leads to a
> > > possible conclusions that time itself is a anthropocentric issue: it is
> > > not an absolute. Remove life, and you remove time. Ergo after death
> > > there is eternity. �In a sense.
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> > > Or to say it in another way, the totality of the experience of life can
> > > be transformed via something akin to �Fourier transform, in which the
> > > time element is transmuted into a position in some other dimension
> > > somewhat like 'frequency' or 'colour'. .. a co-ordinate system that
> > > encapsulates the totality of a lifetime as a single pattern in which the
> > > time element is not present in terms of linear progression of events.
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> > > We don't normally operate in that mode: but many people will assure you
> > > that we CAN. "my whole life passed before my eyes in an instant" says
> > > the drowning man..its from experiences such as this that the concepts of
> > > the old shamans were born, transmuted and corrupted by years of
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> > I think that Jesus Christ would be the best one to explain your idea
> > to.
> > Robert B. Winn
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> Whenever you get stuck in the mud, you want Jesus to come.
> But your Jesus is your god, surely you are the one to drag him here to
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No, we Christians will just wait until he returns the second time.
That was what we were told to do.
Robert B. Winn