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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 3, 6:27 pm, hhyaps...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jul 3, 7:38 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
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>>> On Jul 3, 4:08�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>>>> Steve O wrote:
>>>>> "BuddyThunder" <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
>>>>> news:486c4bcc$1@clear.net.nz...
>>>>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>>>>>> God has eternal life, something atheists do not believe in and do not
>>>>>>> want. �The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches that
>>>>>>> members will inherit all that the Father hath if they are faithful,
>>>>>>> which means that members of the church will also inherit eternal
>>>>>>> life. �So members of the church can become like God, something that
>>>>>>> was commanded also in the New Testament. � Be ye therefore perfect,
>>>>>>> even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect. �So there is
>>>>>>> nothing new in any of these doctrines. �They were taught by Jesus
>>>>>>> Christ in his lifetime.
>>>>>> We would probably want it if it could be shown to be anything other
>>>>>> than wishful thinking.
>>>>> I wouldn't want it at all.
>>>>> What the hell are going to do on your
>>>>> 1000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00­�0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,­0�00,000,000,000,000th
>>>>> day in eternity that you haven't already done a million times already?
>>>>> Good grief, you'd be bored shitless, if not driven insane by the sheer,
>>>>> mind-numbing boredom.
>>>> Ah, but its eternity. It's timeless.
>>>> Actually this stuff all makes perfect sense to me, but not in the
>>>> context of a supernatural being..unless you want to call the Universe such.
>>>> The original philosophers and shamans who tried to describe the world
>>>> were not stupid: they just lacked the vocabulary.
>>>> For stupidity, you have to come down past the political religions like
>>>> Christianity, to the mere followers like our Robbo, who hasn't really
>>>> got a clue about the philosophy and mysticism that underlies the belief
>>>> set and worldview he so desperately clings to.
>>>> Religious texts are well worthy of study as long as you throw away the
>>>> interpretations of *churches*.
>>>> I've skimmed most of the worlds esoteric knowledge base..I eschewed
>>>> Christianity because it was so blatantly stupid, until last. Then I
>>>> found that it had much in common with other world religions: There is in
>>>> all a basic structure that pertains to something. Its just that
>>>> Christianity, and Islam, have both overlaid it with a huge amount of
>>>> utter rubbish that they insist is the pure literal truth.
>>>> You will get a far more interesting slant on religion from an atheist:
>>>> who may have actually stuidied the subject dispassionately: with a
>>>> Christian or Muslim (excluding the Dervish movement) its a package deal,
>>>> by and large, Buy it or not. There is no room for understanding: Just FAITH.
>>>> But Faith is just a small tool on one step of a ladder of understanding.
>>>> Not the be all and end all of it.
>>>> Its like science, where people want to be told 'whatever is the case'
>>>> (Wittgenstein). The truth is no one knows. We are also operating in
>>>> ultimate ignorance, using a set of rules and tools that produce results,
>>>> without any real confirmation that those rules and tools have any real
>>>> correlation with the underlying reality (if indeed there is such) of the
>>>> universe.
>>>> It gets worse. Largely reality is *what you think it is* because so much
>>>> of it is interpreted into your worldview and belief system: enough so
>>>> that an Epiphany CAN totally change someones subjective life: that
>>>> little trick is traded on by every priest there ever has been..to
>>>> demonstrate the reality of their particular brand of snake oil.
>>>> I can levitate certain objects. Sounds impressive, and so it would be to
>>>> a stone age man. You would instantly spot the remote control devices in
>>>> my hand...;-) HOWEVER I could in principle use that as the basis of a
>>>> system to impress hunter gatherers that I had direct access to whatever
>>>> power they believed existed already, and thereby create a religion and
>>>> my own position in it.
>>>> Its been done so many times..
>>>> Don't throw out babies with bathwater: Religious material has matter of
>>>> interest. Just bypass the interpretations of the Faithful, and make up
>>>> your own mind.
>>>> Eternity is a state of mind in which the faculty to organise things in
>>>> an event stream is not operating. You can by one or more of various
>>>> approaches experience this yourself. To the practitioner this leads to a
>>>> possible conclusions that time itself is a anthropocentric issue: it is
>>>> not an absolute. Remove life, and you remove time. Ergo after death
>>>> there is eternity. �In a sense.
>>>> Or to say it in another way, the totality of the experience of life can
>>>> be transformed via something akin to �Fourier transform, in which the
>>>> time element is transmuted into a position in some other dimension
>>>> somewhat like 'frequency' or 'colour'. .. a co-ordinate system that
>>>> encapsulates the totality of a lifetime as a single pattern in which the
>>>> time element is not present in terms of linear progression of events.
>>>> We don't normally operate in that mode: but many people will assure you
>>>> that we CAN. "my whole life passed before my eyes in an instant" says
>>>> the drowning man..its from experiences such as this that the concepts of
>>>> the old shamans were born, transmuted and corrupted by years of
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>>> I think that Jesus Christ would be the best one to explain your idea
>>> to.
>>> Robert B. Winn
>> Whenever you get stuck in the mud, you want Jesus to come.
>> But your Jesus is your god, surely you are the one to drag him here to
>> listen....
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> No, we Christians will just wait until he returns the second time.
> That was what we were told to do.

S'all right Ronbbo, I had him on the spiritual hotline, and he is gonna 
wait till all the churches are dust and ashes, and come and save the 
meek instead.

> Robert B. Winn