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Re: Does God need to prove He exists?

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From: The Natural Philosopher
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:41
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rbwinn wrote:
> On Jul 3, 9:21�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
>> The Loan Arranger wrote:
>>> rbwinn wrote:
>>> (HUGE amount of unnecessary quoting snipped)
>>>> The Gnostiocs wrote a bunch of garbage about their theory that Jesus
>>>> Christ did not suffer or die on the cross because he was a God. �They
>>>> were trying to combine Christianity with Greek mythology.
>>> The Catholic Church, on the other hand, tried to merge it with as many
>>> different contemporary religions as possible, in order to make
>>> Christianity an easier pill to swallow for "pagan" worshippers. At least
>>> the Gnostics had the style to call on classical influences!
>> All the Gnostics said was you didn't need all this doctrine and dogma,
>> you could 'know' god directly.
>> \
>> Which is the sense I suspect they meant it, is of course true.
>>
>> Howver that didn;tr sut te Romans, who didn't really care about any god
>> at all: they wanted unification, ciilization, and pacification, and a
>> sword in one hand and a bible in the other was perfect: If you could
>> meld that into whatever local nature spirits the Druids had going, so
>> much the better.
>>
>> There have always been a host of angels, urges and demi-urges and
>> latterly saints, to paste over the original pagan gods.
>>
>> Any you found antisocial, became devils and demons, of course.
>>
>> For a so-called �monotheistic religion, there are a lot of powerful
>> beings in the Xtian pantheon ;-)
>>
>>
> What do you mean "all the Gnostics said"?   The Gnostics said that
> Jesus Christ did not suffer on the cross because he was a God. 

You should go and check EXACTLY what they said. You do not seem to know.

  They
> were apostate Christians.
> Robert B. Winn
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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:41:07 +0100
From: The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c>
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