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Article #14190Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: The Natural Philosopher
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:17
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:17
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rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 3, 12:41 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 3, 9:21�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: >>>> The Loan Arranger wrote: >>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> (HUGE amount of unnecessary quoting snipped) >>>>>> The Gnostiocs wrote a bunch of garbage about their theory that Jesus >>>>>> Christ did not suffer or die on the cross because he was a God. �They >>>>>> were trying to combine Christianity with Greek mythology. >>>>> The Catholic Church, on the other hand, tried to merge it with as many >>>>> different contemporary religions as possible, in order to make >>>>> Christianity an easier pill to swallow for "pagan" worshippers. At least >>>>> the Gnostics had the style to call on classical influences! >>>> All the Gnostics said was you didn't need all this doctrine and dogma, >>>> you could 'know' god directly. >>>> \ >>>> Which is the sense I suspect they meant it, is of course true. >>>> Howver that didn;tr sut te Romans, who didn't really care about any god >>>> at all: they wanted unification, ciilization, and pacification, and a >>>> sword in one hand and a bible in the other was perfect: If you could >>>> meld that into whatever local nature spirits the Druids had going, so >>>> much the better. >>>> There have always been a host of angels, urges and demi-urges and >>>> latterly saints, to paste over the original pagan gods. >>>> Any you found antisocial, became devils and demons, of course. >>>> For a so-called �monotheistic religion, there are a lot of powerful >>>> beings in the Xtian pantheon ;-) >>> What do you mean "all the Gnostics said"? The Gnostics said that >>> Jesus Christ did not suffer on the cross because he was a God. >> You should go and check EXACTLY what they said. You do not seem to know. >> >> They >> >> >> >>> were apostate Christians. >>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > I know EXACTLY what they said because I have read some of their > writings. They were very mystical depictions of light, spirits, etc., > for the most part, all very mysterious, but their greatest deviation > from Christianity was their belief that Jesus Christ did not suffer > and die because he was a God. Rather than THE god? seems a shame to murder em all just because of an indefinite article.. > Robert B. Winn
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