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Article #14196Re: Does God need to prove He exists?
From: rbwinn
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:14
Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:14
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On Jul 3, 1:17 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 3, 12:41 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 3, 9:21�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote: > >>>> The Loan Arranger wrote: > >>>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> (HUGE amount of unnecessary quoting snipped) > >>>>>> The Gnostiocs wrote a bunch of garbage about their theory that Jesus > >>>>>> Christ did not suffer or die on the cross because he was a God. �They > >>>>>> were trying to combine Christianity with Greek mythology. > >>>>> The Catholic Church, on the other hand, tried to merge it with as many > >>>>> different contemporary religions as possible, in order to make > >>>>> Christianity an easier pill to swallow for "pagan" worshippers. At least > >>>>> the Gnostics had the style to call on classical influences! > >>>> All the Gnostics said was you didn't need all this doctrine and dogma, > >>>> you could 'know' god directly. > >>>> \ > >>>> Which is the sense I suspect they meant it, is of course true. > >>>> Howver that didn;tr sut te Romans, who didn't really care about any god > >>>> at all: they wanted unification, ciilization, and pacification, and a > >>>> sword in one hand and a bible in the other was perfect: If you could > >>>> meld that into whatever local nature spirits the Druids had going, so > >>>> much the better. > >>>> There have always been a host of angels, urges and demi-urges and > >>>> latterly saints, to paste over the original pagan gods. > >>>> Any you found antisocial, became devils and demons, of course. > >>>> For a so-called �monotheistic religion, there are a lot of powerful > >>>> beings in the Xtian pantheon ;-) > >>> What do you mean "all the Gnostics said"? The Gnostics said that > >>> Jesus Christ did not suffer on the cross because he was a God. > >> You should go and check EXACTLY what they said. You do not seem to know. > > >> They > > >>> were apostate Christians. > >>> Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > > I know EXACTLY what they said because I have read some of their > > writings. They were very mystical depictions of light, spirits, etc., > > for the most part, all very mysterious, but their greatest deviation > > from Christianity was their belief that Jesus Christ did not suffer > > and die because he was a God. > > Rather than THE god? > > seems a shame to murder em all just because of an indefinite article.. > > > > > Robert B. Winn- Hide quoted text - > Gnostics were killed under the Romans because they were Christians, not because they were apostate Christians. Robert B. Winn
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