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On Jul 4, 9:12 am, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 2:31 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote:
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> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Jul 3, 9:36 am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > >> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>> On Jul 3, 9:00�am, The Loan Arranger <no...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>> (HUGE amount of unnecessary quoting snipped)
> > >>>>> The Gnostiocs wrote a bunch of garbage about their theory that Jesus
> > >>>>> Christ did not suffer or die on the cross because he was a God. �They
> > >>>>> were trying to combine Christianity with Greek mythology.
> > >>>> The Catholic Church, on the other hand, tried to merge it with as many
> > >>>> different contemporary religions as possible, in order to make
> > >>>> Christianity an easier pill to swallow for "pagan" worshippers. At least
> > >>>> the Gnostics had the style to call on classical influences!
> > >>> That is correct about the Catholic Church.  Fortunately, they were
> > >>> able to keep the Bible pretty much intact.
> > >> That's "intact" in the sense of "as close as possible what Athanasius
> > >> chose in order to further his own agendas and those of some factions of
> > >> the early Christian church," of course.
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> > >> There was a lot of good but politically inconvenient stuff thrown out,
> > >> and replaced with the scrawlings of a tax collector with a barbequed
> > >> ass, who had never been near The Man Himself but seemed to think he had
> > >> a hotline to Jesus.
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> > >> Take a look at the Pseudepigrapha at some point. A good source iswww.pseudepigrapha.com. They're a bit eye-opening, and fill in a deal of
> > >> detail that's simply missing from the Bible but carried through in
> > >> Christian lore regardless. It's entertaining to work out quite how
> > >> different the Christian Church would be today if different (better IMHO)
> > >> choices had been made at Hippo.
>
> > >> "Intact" is relative.
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> > > What difference would it make to an atheist?  Weren't you claiming
> > > that this was all myth?
> > > Church leaders from the beginning had to contend with uninspired
> > > people writing things seeking to gain position and authority in the
> > > church.  Once the Apostles were gone, there was no further control
> > > over it.  However, there were still people who could decide, this is
> > > legitimate, this is garbage.  So today we have what we have as the
> > > Bible.  There is still garbage in the Bible.  The Song of Solomon is
> > > garbage.
>
> > I think you should understand the history of how your holy texts were
> > assembled. It might explain some of why it is the way it is.
>
> > The Song of Solomon is one of the few parts I actually like!- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
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> A lot of Jews liked it also.  That is why they kept it in the Old
> Testament.  I know how the holy texts were aassembled.  Matthew and
> John wrote their gospels to testify to the Jews.  Mark and Luke wrote
> theirs to testify to the Gentiles.  Paul wrote his epistles to direct
> the affairs of the church and give instruction to branches of the
> church he had established throughout Asia Minor and Rome.  Peter wrote
> his two epistles to the entire church as the presiding authority of
> the church.   James wrote his epistle as an apostle.  Jude wrote his
> epistle testifying as the brother of Jesus Christ, which was also true
> of James.  John wrote Revelation as the account of a vision he had
> seen regarding the events of the last days.  These people were all
> acting in the capacity of church leadership.  What they said was
> preserved by faithful members of the church.
> As the apostles were killed one by one, the church began to fall into
> apostasy, resulting in a lot of uninspired writings that you want
> included in the Bible.  However, what is contained in the New
> Testament are inspired writings, coming from apostles and disciples
> who were writing for the correct purposes.  Efforts of modern atheists
> do discredit the New Testament will always fall short because
> Matthew , Mark , Luke , and John really did make records of the life
> of Jesus Christ, and Paul, Peter, and James really did write epistles
> to the church, just the same as there is a tunnel between Gihon spring
> and the Pool of Siloam and an earthen ramp over the wall at Lachish.
> Harry Potter is not going to be able to change these things because
> Harry Potter is only a fictional character in a book written by a
> modern atheist.
>        There were other inspired writings that could have been
> included.  There were other uninspired writings which were excluded
> for good reasons.  Most Christians are happy with the Bible as it
> exists.  So why don't atheists have anything that they are happy
> about?
> Robert B. Winn

Well, we're generally happy about Harry Potter.  I haven't read it
myself, but I think in general people appreciate it.
Neither Jesus nor Paul are going to be able to change this as they are
only fictional characters in a book.

Al