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On Jul 3, 9:42 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...@juno.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 4:52 am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
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> > rbwinn wrote:
> > > On Jul 3, 4:08�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> > >> Steve O wrote:
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> > >>> "BuddyThunder" <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
> > >>>news:486c4bcc$1@clear.net.nz...
> > >>>> rbwinn wrote:
> > >>>>> God has eternal life, something atheists do not believe in and do not
> > >>>>> want. �The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches that
> > >>>>> members will inherit all that the Father hath if they are faithful,
> > >>>>> which means that members of the church will also inherit eternal
> > >>>>> life. �So members of the church can become like God, something that
> > >>>>> was commanded also in the New Testament. � Be ye therefore perfect,
> > >>>>> even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect. �So there is
> > >>>>> nothing new in any of these doctrines. �They were taught by Jesus
> > >>>>> Christ in his lifetime.
> > >>>> We would probably want it if it could be shown to be anything other
> > >>>> than wishful thinking.
> > >>> I wouldn't want it at all.
> > >>> What the hell are going to do on your
> > >>> 1000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00­�0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,­0�00,000,000,000,000th
> > >>> day in eternity that you haven't already done a million times already?
> > >>> Good grief, you'd be bored shitless, if not driven insane by the sheer,
> > >>> mind-numbing boredom.
> > >> Ah, but its eternity. It's timeless.
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> > >> Actually this stuff all makes perfect sense to me, but not in the
> > >> context of a supernatural being..unless you want to call the Universe such.
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> > >> The original philosophers and shamans who tried to describe the world
> > >> were not stupid: they just lacked the vocabulary.
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> > >> For stupidity, you have to come down past the political religions like
> > >> Christianity, to the mere followers like our Robbo, who hasn't really
> > >> got a clue about the philosophy and mysticism that underlies the belief
> > >> set and worldview he so desperately clings to.
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> > >> Religious texts are well worthy of study as long as you throw away the
> > >> interpretations of *churches*.
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> > >> I've skimmed most of the worlds esoteric knowledge base..I eschewed
> > >> Christianity because it was so blatantly stupid, until last. Then I
> > >> found that it had much in common with other world religions: There is in
> > >> all a basic structure that pertains to something. Its just that
> > >> Christianity, and Islam, have both overlaid it with a huge amount of
> > >> utter rubbish that they insist is the pure literal truth.
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> > >> You will get a far more interesting slant on religion from an atheist:
> > >> who may have actually stuidied the subject dispassionately: with a
> > >> Christian or Muslim (excluding the Dervish movement) its a package deal,
> > >> by and large, Buy it or not. There is no room for understanding: Just FAITH.
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> > >> But Faith is just a small tool on one step of a ladder of understanding.
> > >> Not the be all and end all of it.
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> > >> Its like science, where people want to be told 'whatever is the case'
> > >> (Wittgenstein). The truth is no one knows. We are also operating in
> > >> ultimate ignorance, using a set of rules and tools that produce results,
> > >> without any real confirmation that those rules and tools have any real
> > >> correlation with the underlying reality (if indeed there is such) of the
> > >> universe.
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> > >> It gets worse. Largely reality is *what you think it is* because so much
> > >> of it is interpreted into your worldview and belief system: enough so
> > >> that an Epiphany CAN totally change someones subjective life: that
> > >> little trick is traded on by every priest there ever has been..to
> > >> demonstrate the reality of their particular brand of snake oil.
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> > >> I can levitate certain objects. Sounds impressive, and so it would be to
> > >> a stone age man. You would instantly spot the remote control devices in
> > >> my hand...;-) HOWEVER I could in principle use that as the basis of a
> > >> system to impress hunter gatherers that I had direct access to whatever
> > >> power they believed existed already, and thereby create a religion and
> > >> my own position in it.
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> > >> Its been done so many times..
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> > >> Don't throw out babies with bathwater: Religious material has matter of
> > >> interest. Just bypass the interpretations of the Faithful, and make up
> > >> your own mind.
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> > >> Eternity is a state of mind in which the faculty to organise things in
> > >> an event stream is not operating. You can by one or more of various
> > >> approaches experience this yourself. To the practitioner this leads to a
> > >> possible conclusions that time itself is a anthropocentric issue: it is
> > >> not an absolute. Remove life, and you remove time. Ergo after death
> > >> there is eternity. �In a sense.
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> > >> Or to say it in another way, the totality of the experience of life can
> > >> be transformed via something akin to �Fourier transform, in which the
> > >> time element is transmuted into a position in some other dimension
> > >> somewhat like 'frequency' or 'colour'. .. a co-ordinate system that
> > >> encapsulates the totality of a lifetime as a single pattern in which the
> > >> time element is not present in terms of linear progression of events.
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> > >> We don't normally operate in that mode: but many people will assure you
> > >> that we CAN. "my whole life passed before my eyes in an instant" says
> > >> the drowning man..its from experiences such as this that the concepts of
> > >> the old shamans were born, transmuted and corrupted by years of
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> > > I think that Jesus Christ would be the best one to explain your idea
> > > to.
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> > I don't have to. He knew all about it already, and tried to explain,
> > sadly no one really was listening. So they hung him on a cross to shut
> > him up.
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> > But having studied in the East, he knew how to go into ultra deep
> > meditation, so he looked dead enough to be cut down, and with the help
> > of his girlfriend, managed to stay alive long enough to have rampant sex
> > and a few babies.
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> > Some of which is documented in the testaments the Romans left OUT of the
> > bible.
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> The Gnostiocs wrote a bunch of garbage about their theory that Jesus
> Christ did not suffer or die on the cross because he was a God.  They
> were trying to combine Christianity with Greek mythology.
> Robert B. Winn

Greek myths are borrowed from Christianity stories. They are the same
thing.