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On Jul 3, 4:08�am, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c> wrote:
> Steve O wrote:
>
> > "BuddyThunder" <nos...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
> >news:486c4bcc$1@clear.net.nz...
> >> rbwinn wrote:
>
> >>> God has eternal life, something atheists do not believe in and do not
> >>> want. �The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches that
> >>> members will inherit all that the Father hath if they are faithful,
> >>> which means that members of the church will also inherit eternal
> >>> life. �So members of the church can become like God, something that
> >>> was commanded also in the New Testament. � Be ye therefore perfect,
> >>> even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect. �So there is
> >>> nothing new in any of these doctrines. �They were taught by Jesus
> >>> Christ in his lifetime.
>
> >> We would probably want it if it could be shown to be anything other
> >> than wishful thinking.
>
> > I wouldn't want it at all.
> > What the hell are going to do on your
> > 1000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00�0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0�00,000,000,000,000th
> > day in eternity that you haven't already done a million times already?
> > Good grief, you'd be bored shitless, if not driven insane by the sheer,
> > mind-numbing boredom.
>
> Ah, but its eternity. It's timeless.
>
> Actually this stuff all makes perfect sense to me, but not in the
> context of a supernatural being..unless you want to call the Universe such.
>
> The original philosophers and shamans who tried to describe the world
> were not stupid: they just lacked the vocabulary.
>
> For stupidity, you have to come down past the political religions like
> Christianity, to the mere followers like our Robbo, who hasn't really
> got a clue about the philosophy and mysticism that underlies the belief
> set and worldview he so desperately clings to.
>
> Religious texts are well worthy of study as long as you throw away the
> interpretations of *churches*.
>
> I've skimmed most of the worlds esoteric knowledge base..I eschewed
> Christianity because it was so blatantly stupid, until last. Then I
> found that it had much in common with other world religions: There is in
> all a basic structure that pertains to something. Its just that
> Christianity, and Islam, have both overlaid it with a huge amount of
> utter rubbish that they insist is the pure literal truth.
>
> You will get a far more interesting slant on religion from an atheist:
> who may have actually stuidied the subject dispassionately: with a
> Christian or Muslim (excluding the Dervish movement) its a package deal,
> by and large, Buy it or not. There is no room for understanding: Just FAITH.
>
> But Faith is just a small tool on one step of a ladder of understanding.
> Not the be all and end all of it.
>
> Its like science, where people want to be told 'whatever is the case'
> (Wittgenstein). The truth is no one knows. We are also operating in
> ultimate ignorance, using a set of rules and tools that produce results,
> without any real confirmation that those rules and tools have any real
> correlation with the underlying reality (if indeed there is such) of the
> universe.
>
> It gets worse. Largely reality is *what you think it is* because so much
> of it is interpreted into your worldview and belief system: enough so
> that an Epiphany CAN totally change someones subjective life: that
> little trick is traded on by every priest there ever has been..to
> demonstrate the reality of their particular brand of snake oil.
>
> I can levitate certain objects. Sounds impressive, and so it would be to
> a stone age man. You would instantly spot the remote control devices in
> my hand...;-) HOWEVER I could in principle use that as the basis of a
> system to impress hunter gatherers that I had direct access to whatever
> power they believed existed already, and thereby create a religion and
> my own position in it.
>
> Its been done so many times..
>
> Don't throw out babies with bathwater: Religious material has matter of
> interest. Just bypass the interpretations of the Faithful, and make up
> your own mind.
>
> Eternity is a state of mind in which the faculty to organise things in
> an event stream is not operating. You can by one or more of various
> approaches experience this yourself. To the practitioner this leads to a
> possible conclusions that time itself is a anthropocentric issue: it is
> not an absolute. Remove life, and you remove time. Ergo after death
> there is eternity. �In a sense.
>
> Or to say it in another way, the totality of the experience of life can
> be transformed via something akin to �Fourier transform, in which the
> time element is transmuted into a position in some other dimension
> somewhat like 'frequency' or 'colour'. .. a co-ordinate system that
> encapsulates the totality of a lifetime as a single pattern in which the
> time element is not present in terms of linear progression of events.
>
> We don't normally operate in that mode: but many people will assure you
> that we CAN. "my whole life passed before my eyes in an instant" says
> the drowning man..its from experiences such as this that the concepts of
> the old shamans were born, transmuted and corrupted by years of
> translation and repetition into the utter garbage you find in the Bible.- Hide quoted text -
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I think that Jesus Christ would be the best one to explain your idea
to.
Robert B. Winn